Future MSFS product’s availability?

[Steve Prowse]

Hi there, will FSL make their future MSFS products available in the ‘MSFS market place’ or will it be only from your website?

 

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[Andrew Wilson]

Hi Steve, 

Those details, and more, will be released in due course. 

Thanks for your interest 

[Duncan Odgers]

On 3/5/2024 at 11:22 AM, Andrew Wilson said:

Hi Steve, 

Those details, and more, will be released in due course. 

Thanks for your interest 

Hi Andrew,

 

The community are eagerly awaiting FSLABS products if you are under some form of NDA then please just say you are under an NDA and cannot talk about future projects. The Concorde at least should be able to share since that is public knowledge.

 

Nothing since August 15th 2023 people will start to give up on your products, communication is all anyone is asking for.

 

Kind regards Duncan Odgers 

[Norman Blackburn]

Hi Duncan,

Whilst the team do indeed remain under NDA, we have said quite a few times since last August that we are continuing to being our existing product line to the MSFS platform.  

[Duncan Odgers]

Great thanks Norman I'm not sure FSLABS mentioned the NDA before but this gives us confidence why you can't share news and you will when allowed.

[Duncan MacKellar]

3 hours ago, Duncan Odgers said:

Great thanks Norman I'm not sure FSLABS mentioned the NDA before but this gives us confidence why you can't share news and you will when allowed.

Hi Duncan, 

I did reply here, but it probably got buried. NDAs are SOP in most industries, even more so in ours, so I imagine it isn't too surprising. 

I know the team is hugely excited to share details on the projects we are working on when we are in a position to do so. 

Regards, 

Dunc

[Khoa Nguyen]

Though FSlabs makes good A319/A320/A321 series but I really hope they would try to bring into MSFS a bigger plane like A330, there are lots of A320 already, 

[Anthony Barthur]

The A380 would be really nice. as far as I am aware there is only rubbish versions out there at the moment

[Christian Küsters]

 

Dear Fslabs team,

I want to say thank you for a nice time. I have bought a new PC and changed completely to msfs. I have loved to fly the fslabs Airbus from the beginning. I have bought every extension The support was really great. But sadly there where no news where we are standing on the programming for msfs. Nothing really since last year. Not even one picture.

I have now changed to another Airbus developer. Perhaps I come back. But I am very happy at the moment.

Always happy landings and thanks a lot. 

Christian 

[John BONNIN]

I agree Idk what they're doing, why they took so long to make the decision to move to msfs.. It's sad
No news since nearly 1 year (in 1 month !) and I don't think there will be a release soon
I hope for you, the Concorde and/or A330 (before aerosoft) and/or A319/A321 (before Fenix) will be ready for the release of MSFS24 in November 

[Lazo Lluka]

I believe they hinted something will be out for MSFS2020 before the 2024 release. Working in complete silence for almost 1 year is puzzling. Previews once a quarter will keep a lot of people happy. I doubt I purchase another a bus family in MSFS unless Im blown away with the product. I’ll keep using P3D for years to come anyways.

[Johannes Lehmann]

7 hours ago, John BONNIN said:

I agree Idk what they're doing, why they took so long to make the decision to move to msfs.. It's sad
No news since nearly 1 year (in 1 month !) and I don't think there will be a release soon
I hope for you, the Concorde and/or A330 (before aerosoft) and/or A319/A321 (before Fenix) will be ready for the release of MSFS24 in November 

Well, looking at just the A320 family: I think the first company to deliver anything else but the standard A320ceo  (319, 321, neos, Sharklets, EIS1, …) will achieve a significantly better market position, because there will not be many simmers willing and/or able to purchase another fleet after just having bought one. And I believe that this race will be decided before MSFS 24. 

 

[Bob Zolto]

And another developer as a huge head start.

 

[Mahad Md. Mirza]

Would love to see an FSLabs EIS1 A320

[Thierry Nguepdjo]

On 6/29/2024 at 8:15 AM, Mahad Md. Mirza said:

Would love to see an FSLabs EIS1 A320

If you're talking MSFS, sorry, there are enough 320's..that market seems saturated. FSLabs waited too long. I don't presume to know their business but I'd say they would be better off releasing the A330 first for MSFS as a heavy airbus of good quality is really needed. Either way, they could really work on their (lack of) communication...it's really not that hard.

[Steve Prowse]

Steady guys I can hear keys being jingled….or the whole thread disappearing into the abyss……

[Norman Blackburn]

3 hours ago, Steve Prowse said:

Steady guys I can hear keys being jingled….or the whole thread disappearing into the abyss……

Exactly. Steve already asked the question and we answered.   Sadly some then think it’s an open invitation to praise whatever their current favourite add on is.  For clarity, they are welcome to do so however our forum isn’t the place for such posts.  

Whilst we appreciate that many would love a blow by blow account of what is happening, it’s our choice to let our products do the talking.  I'm sure for example many too would love to know what the next product from their favourite car manufacturer is and how its development is going.

 

[Ryan Argue]

10 hours ago, Norman Blackburn said:

Exactly. Steve already asked the question and we answered.   Sadly some then think it’s an open invitation to praise whatever their current favourite add on is.  For clarity, they are welcome to do so however our forum isn’t the place for such posts.  

Whilst we appreciate that many would love a blow by blow account of what is happening, it’s our choice to let our products do the talking.  I'm sure for example many too would love to know what the next product from their favourite car manufacturer is and how its development is going.

 

What?  What products?  MSFS has been out for four years, and there’s no products.  So the talking you’ve been doing has been absolute silence. 
 

And for your analogy, we do.  Auto manufacturers do car shows, concept cars, release details on the next model years in advance.   
 

You’ve missed an entire release window on a brand new platform.  I don’t know why, but neither does anyone else, because nobody knows what you’re working on. 

[David Porrett]

I've been an FSL supporter for many years but to be honest, I would be in two minds about supporting in MSFS unless it really was an earth-shattering product. If it is another version of the 320 family, I'm afraid I won't be partaking.

[Daniel Jaffe]

Just a reminder to this narrowly focused group. 15 million. 15 million unique users of MSFS (sure not all of them are frequent users). There are multiple versions of scenery. Multiple variations of similar planes. The market is enormous and, after just coming back from Expo, the developer community is very excited about the opportunities it represents. And sure, it would have been great if FSL had gotten there first, but if they come with the kind of products they are known for, including innovations that other devs have tried to copy, there is just as much opportunity for FSL as there is for any other developer. Just because you did it first, doesn’t mean you did it best or that your sales to new sim entrants are assured. With all that, I look forward to what FSL is going to release first for MSFS. Good luck! If you bring the goods, I’ll buy it and so will most of the people naysaying here too (I think). 

[Chris Howard]

Count me in.

FSL left a lasting impression with their Airbuses in previous sims, loved them.

I'm definitely holding out.

[Anirbinna Roy]

Count me in.
FSL left a lasting impression with their Airbuses in previous sims, loved them.
I'm definitely holding out.

Me too . Just taking an eternity though


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[Steve Prowse]

4 hours ago, Chris Howard said:

I'm definitely holding out.

But what are we all holding out for…??  Moreover, judging by the depth of P3D support here there ain’t many waiting for any MSFS releases far from it I would suggest…....just an observation.

[Chris Howard]

I'm easy Steve.

Anything they bring out really but personally, a NEO or 350 would make me a happy chappie.  

[Bernd Edlinger]

On 6/28/2024 at 6:42 PM, John BONNIN said:

I hope for you, the Concorde and/or A330 (before aerosoft) and/or A319/A321 (before Fenix) will be ready for the release of MSFS24 in November 

Tbh... If FSL is bringing a Bus (doesn't matter which one) to MSFS, I dont care about Aerosoft or Fenix anymore.

FSL will be an instant buy and brought into my hangar - i dont even care about pricing It was and is the best Bus you can get in P3D and will (hopefully) the mastermind in MSFS too! Looking forward to it!

[Franklyn Salomons]

When FSL announced the A330, my thoughts were that it should be the first project to push out in MSFS, no serious competition, well know aircraft. When it does come out it will be great and FSL have stated that they've expanded their team which is a good sign. One thing I want to say,between 2009-2019 flightsim moved at a rather glacial pace, so developers being quiet for months to years and then releasing was the norm. However development in the space is moving rapidly, even XPlane is stepping up by leaps and bounds, cash is flowing and some talented developers are picking up the slack and filling in gaps in modern and next gen platforms. In the era of social media, clear communication, expectation management and customer engagement create as many sales as the actual product quality does. I'm rooting for FSL, make the great products you are known for, but don't be afraid to pivot and adapt to the change of development processes. Kodak and Blockbuster Video are stark examples of what can happen when a well regarded company is too set in their ways. Looking forward to your success.

[Atul Mishra]

An A330 for MSFS from FSL would be amazeballs! I'd then park aside everything else. Haha.

[Dean R Fariel]

Recently dumped my P3DV5 and migrated to MSFS.  As a 25 year Airbus Captain I’ve found the Fenix A320 pretty decent it is not as systems detailed as FSLABS offering especially in the FMGS aspects. 
 

I am very much looking forward to getting the FSLABS A320 in MSFS. If it even matches the capabilities that the P3D version it will be a superior product. 
 

In the meantime would you all at FSLABS be willing to share a few screenshots and possible update on how you’re r progressing.  
 

Regards,

Captain D Fariel

A320 / A321

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Nvidia 4090

4TB EVO SSD

[Daniel Jaffe]

Dean -- They've answered this question many times.  No.  They will not share anything until they are ready to share something.  All prior requests have been politely denied, other than to say they are full steam ahead on MSFS.  

[Bob Zolto]

And that has been their answer for well over a year.

[Lazo Lluka]

I think we'll get something in September.

 

[Bob Zolto]

Probably not before MSFS 2024 and then a  period of testing.  Maybe this year, but doubtful.

[Wilhelm Zwirchmayr]

I'm in sales myself and unfortunately marketing at fslabs is really bad.
that's how you forget the company.

you should keep reporting how far you've come and also post screenshots, that keeps the community happy and makes you want to buy the product.

When I think about it, I used to check fslabs every day to see if there was anything new and now? well, rarely.

I've now switched completely to MSFS because I had problems with Prepar3d v5 and I don't regret the switch.

I hope that FSLABS will soon release a brilliant A320 NEO

[Norman Blackburn]

3 minutes ago, Wilhelm Zwirchmayr said:

you should keep reporting how far you've come and also post screenshots,

Whilst I appreciate that may be what you want, and to an extent we understand, from our side it's not what we wish to do as it wouldn't only be prospective customers we would be updating.  We shall have to simply agree to disagree.  

[Alex Pugh]

It’ll be interesting to see how FSL handles the current generation of simmers. More devs are putting up discords, issuing regular communications, and marketing a bit more. Once people start paying money, going a full year without any official announcement or news like it is now might not go over so well. 

[Anirbinna Roy]

It’ll be interesting to see how FSL handles the current generation of simmers. More devs are putting up discords, issuing regular communications, and marketing a bit more. Once people start paying money, going a full year without any official announcement or news like it is now might not go over so well. 

I kinda agree here. FSL has to adapt a bit to the new normal. While FSL may have their own way of announcing things that align well with their NDA, they need to keep in mind that there are other developers who do quality stuff (again, not comparing), who put up updates regularly or sometimes occasionally.

Again, NDAs are up to the management of FSL and no one can really do much, but again, it’s Flight Simulation running on a PC. While it’s good to have NDAs, keeping people in the dark for almost over a year might not be well perceived.

Sometimes you have to be a bit flexible.


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[Peng Jia]

Stubborn like Nokia in the past.

[David Arthur]

2 hours ago, Anirbinna Roy said:

While FSL may have their own way of announcing things that align well with their NDA

Again, NDAs are up to the management of FSL and no one can really do much,

While it’s good to have NDAs, 

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Who do FSLABS have an NDA with that prevents them showing what aircraft they’re working on for release into MSFS?

[Norman Blackburn]

1 minute ago, David Arthur said:

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Who do FSLABS have an NDA with that prevents them showing what aircraft they’re working on for release into MSFS?

In many cases even to acknowledge details of any NDA would itself be a breach.  Thanks for your understanding.

[JackBeloff]

NDA, from what i understand it, is when product is close to release, folks that have access to said product are under an agreement to not disclose any information stated in such agreement. I don't understand how sharing current status of the product by the team itself can conflict with any NDA.

[Andrew Wilson]

It's not just about NDAs; it's about competition in a wider marketplace and we prefer not to showcase our upcoming titles, for the time being - as many of the innovations we've designed have not been seen before on the MSFS platform. 

Once we are ready to announce our first title for MSFS, we'll be in a position to share more details with regards to what the team have spent these past few years working on. 

[Anirbinna Roy]

It's not just about NDAs; it's about competition in a wider marketplace and we prefer not to showcase our upcoming titles, for the time being - as many of the innovations we've designed have not been seen before on the MSFS platform. 
Once we are ready to announce our first title for MSFS, we'll be in a position to share more details with regards to what the team have spent these past few years working on. 

Ohh demnnn!!!!


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[stephen speak]

15 hours ago, Andrew Wilson said:

It's not just about NDAs; it's about competition in a wider marketplace and we prefer not to showcase our upcoming titles, for the time being - as many of the innovations we've designed have not been seen before on the MSFS platform. 

Once we are ready to announce our first title for MSFS, we'll be in a position to share more details with regards to what the team have spent these past few years working on. 

@Andrew Wilson..there's such a thing as copyright as well..if its something you have designed or invented that works also

[Trevor Hannant]

19 hours ago, JackBeloff said:

NDA, from what i understand it, is when product is close to release, folks that have access to said product are under an agreement to not disclose any information stated in such agreement. I don't understand how sharing current status of the product by the team itself can conflict with any NDA.

Staff can be under an NDA also, doesn't just have to be, in the case of MSFS, "content creators" or such like.  I've signed NDAs for organisations when things have been at concept stage, let alone near release.   NDAs are set to suit the needs of a particular company's strategy, not to suit a timeline.

However, as Andrew says, lack of information doesn't just have to be related to these.

[Ryan Argue]

19 hours ago, Andrew Wilson said:

It's not just about NDAs; it's about competition in a wider marketplace and we prefer not to showcase our upcoming titles, for the time being - as many of the innovations we've designed have not been seen before on the MSFS platform. 

Like what?  We’ve heard this before from other developers, and it’s 50/50 whether that’s true. 

Four years of MSFS on the market and we have no idea what you’re working on, what could be innovative, nothing to get excited about and nothing from you guys about anything.  
 

You can say what you want about how you want to communicate with customers and “protect” things from other developers, but honestly I can’t even imagine what you mean.  Nobody else is developing a Concorde. Nobody is gonna steal your ideas for that.  The A320 has been done to the Nth degree by Fenix and I personally would have a really, really hard time buying another one since that one is so good.  They’re coming out with the 319/321 at some point and I imagine the majority of people who want those will buy them, and there STILL won’t be an offering from FSLabs.

So what are we waiting for from you guys?  A340?  That’s about the only Airbus that isn’t in some sort of high fidelity development right now.  
 

But again, we don’t know.  Nobody has the slightest clue what you’re doing over the past FOUR YEARS.  
 

Why should we even be excited about anything you guys are “innovating” when we don’t have the slightest idea of what it could be?