Any updates on the NEO variant for MSFS?

[Ryan Argue]

On 3/13/2025 at 5:53 AM, Sabine Meier said:

There are plenty of different communication strategies and styles. Some do like the constant updates others like the news when it is ready. Imagine the time you spent answering questions about product updates rather than actually working on the product. 

Ridiculous.  Other developers answer questions just fine and have many more products out than FSLabs.  

Imagine how much happier their potential clients might be if we knew what was coming!

[Ryan Argue]

On 3/13/2025 at 10:21 AM, Ray Proudfoot said:

And that is precisely why you’re not bothered about the lack of news on progress. I bought Concorde in autumn 2023 and after a few updates there’s been no news since the last update in November 2023 - 16 months ago.

My last request for progress was met with this reply from the head man…

https://forums.flightsimlabs.com/topic/35770-when-are-all-the-bugs-in-p3d-concorde-going-to-be-fixed/

Maybe you’re not bothered by such a response. My opinion is somewhat different.

Maybe you can post that here for those of us that can't see.  I'm interested in Concorde when it comes to MSFS, but I'm curious what you think is wrong with it.

[Ray Proudfoot]

10 minutes ago, Ryan Argue said:

Maybe you can post that here for those of us that can't see.  I'm interested in Concorde when it comes to MSFS, but I'm curious what you think is wrong with it.

I didn’t list the issues since they cover several aspects of the aircraft. My own concerns are related to adjusting the accel and decel points on custom flights. Another issue was the aircraft turning too early towards the next waypoint thereby causing a waypoint on a separate moving map utility not to be credited.

And most things are controlled by the Virtual Crew leaving you - the pilot - with little to control. Others familiar with flying Concorde have become frustrated they can’t start the engines themselves or control the fuel balance.

FSL have made no announcements if this will change for the MSFS version or even which sim will be supported.

The aircraft is perfectly flyable. But some aspects are frustrating.

[Florian Hofmann]

On 3/26/2025 at 7:23 PM, Ray Proudfoot said:

FSL have made no announcements if this will change for the MSFS version or even which sim will be supported.

That would be really great, especially now that the other developer has shared their roadmap and we know what to expect from them.

[alex kelly]

38 minutes ago, Florian Hofmann said:

Eso sería realmente fantástico, especialmente ahora que el otro desarrollador ha compartido su hoja de ruta y sabemos qué esperar de ellos.

That's the point, although the other developer is already about to deliver the NEO LEAP PW versions, it doesn't compare to the FSLAB dynamics, but as a customer I will obviously enjoy the other plane for a while, for the rest we don't know when it will be ready to be compatible with fs2024.

[Troy Kretzul]

On 3/26/2025 at 2:23 PM, Ray Proudfoot said:

I didn’t list the issues since they cover several aspects of the aircraft. My own concerns are related to adjusting the accel and decel points on custom flights. Another issue was the aircraft turning too early towards the next waypoint thereby causing a waypoint on a separate moving map utility not to be credited.

And most things are controlled by the Virtual Crew leaving you - the pilot - with little to control. Others familiar with flying Concorde have become frustrated they can’t start the engines themselves or control the fuel balance.

FSL have made no announcements if this will change for the MSFS version or even which sim will be supported.

The aircraft is perfectly flyable. But some aspects are frustrating.

How are the flight planning features in general Ray? I notice Simbrief does not have a Concorde profile, due to the complexities of supersonic calculations.

When Concorde releases for MSFS2024, I’m hoping to play with all sorts of random routes while respecting overland speed restrictions, and would rather not get into a fuel pinch.

[Ray Proudfoot]

@Troy Kretzul, I create my own custom routes with PFPX. It remains an excellent planner. I also adhere to the rules regarding supersonic flight.

Providing you have the freedom to add your own waypoints SimBrief should be fine. I always have my first waypoint as the SID exit point and last is the STAR entry point. That way the routes can be generic irrespective of runways in use.

When you feed that plan into the HP200X the accel and decel points are determined by the software and one of its long standing bugs is the inability to fine tune them.

Same with the decel point. Fortunately the accel enunciation is just that. Words without any aircraft systems changing.

But the decel point will reduce thrust so if your own decel point is later I just hit F4 a few times to maintain full power. Irritating but it can be overridden.

I have a few short favourites. Oslo- Heathrow, Manchester to Lisbon and Tampa to Houston. All no longer than 1.5hrs.

[Trevor Hannant]

So, the NEO...

[Dominic Burjak]

I'm sure the team are hard at work  

[Stephen Whiterod]

When it does arrive, is it going to be compatible with MSFS 24 on day one or will we have to wait like we are doing now with the ceo?

[alex kelly]

54 minutes ago, Stephen Whiterod said:

Cuando llegue, ¿será compatible con MSFS 24 desde el primer día o tendremos que esperar como estamos haciendo ahora con el ceo?

I think it will all be compatible together, the NEO will arrive and it will also be compatible with fs24, at least we have to think that the amount of programming the plane has should not make it so easy to take everything to the next level, if the only thing missing is that they tell us the dates so at least we don't bother anymore. XD hahahahaha 

[Darren Taylor]

Found this just now

 

[Norman Blackburn]

16 minutes ago, Darren Taylor said:

Found this just now

You can buy it.  We wont be refunding the cost though  

[Stephen Whiterod]

 

59 minutes ago, Norman Blackburn said:

You can buy it.  We wont be refunding the cost though  

Norman, don’t know if you can answer this but will it be compatible with MSFS 24 on launch?

Edited April 3 by Stephen Whiterod

[Norman Blackburn]

Hi Stephen,

You are right - its not something I can say however a number of testers are happily using it currently in both sims.

[Stephen Whiterod]

11 minutes ago, Norman Blackburn said:

Hi Stephen,

You are right - it’s not something I can say however a number of testers are happily using it currently in both sims.

Thanks, I’m looking forward to it.

[Rodrigo Andres Jipoulou Saez]

4 hours ago, Darren Taylor said:

Encontré esto ahora mismo

 

Can you buy the A321neo now?

[Kemal Akbaba]

9 hours ago, Rodrigo Andres Jipoulou Saez said:

Can you buy the A321neo now?

No

[Bob Zolto]

I don't think so.

[Hongbo Soong]

Any updates on progress ?

[Norman Blackburn]

3 hours ago, Hongbo Soong said:

Any updates on progress ?

Its further along than it was yesterday!  

[JONATHAN DE BOSCATO]

Is the A320neo in development?

[Stephen Whiterod]

8 hours ago, JONATHAN DE BOSCATO said:

Is the A320neo in development?

If you have a look at Norman’s post above, on the left side you can see what aircraft he has access to, looks like he’s keeping the NEO all to himself. 

[Alex Pugh]

IMO they should scrap the Neo now that Fenix is doing theirs and just focus on the A330

[alex kelly]

13 minutes ago, Alex Pugh said:

Na minha opinião, eles deveriam descartar o Neo agora que a Fenix está fazendo o deles e se concentrar apenas no A330

Ou lançar o NEO agora logo né kkkkkk

[Stephen Whiterod]

1 hour ago, Alex Pugh said:

IMO they should scrap the Neo now that Fenix is doing theirs and just focus on the A330

That’s a terrible suggestion, you have no idea how long it’s been in development, to suggest they waste whatever resources they’ve spent on it is frankly ridiculous.

[Thierry Nguepdjo]

5 hours ago, Alex Pugh said:

IMO they should scrap the Neo now that Fenix is doing theirs and just focus on the A330

Agreed!

[Bob Zolto]

Sorry

[Alex Pugh]

21 hours ago, Stephen Whiterod said:

That’s a terrible suggestion, you have no idea how long it’s been in development, to suggest they waste whatever resources they’ve spent on it is frankly ridiculous.

Sunk cost fallacy 

[alex kelly]

Just now, Alex Pugh said:

Falácia do custo irrecuperável 

Hello, look at my use of the FSLAB plane for training before my check, and the plane is at a height, if I haven't launched this year the NEO is good for me, if you want a game then go to Fenix and don't give the CEO's opinion. with much respect for my comment.

[Stephen Whiterod]

1 hour ago, Alex Pugh said:

Sunk cost fallacy 

Sorry, didn’t realise we had a business mastermind in the thread, please tell me how it would be beneficial to abandon it when it looks like the NEO is already in testing?

[Peter Fabian]

2 hours ago, Alex Pugh said:

Sunk cost fallacy 

FSL has currently one way to get out of this rut - beat FBW to market on the neo.

[Alex Pugh]

1 hour ago, Stephen Whiterod said:

Sorry, didn’t realise we had a business mastermind in the thread, please tell me how it would be beneficial to abandon it when it looks like the NEO is already in testing?

In testing? 

1 hour ago, Peter Fabian said:

FSL has currently one way to get out of this rut - beat FBW to market on the neo.

FBW?

It took 5 years for FSL dip their toe into FSL with (1) variant of the A320 family. Not sure why anyone thinks their NEO is coming out anytime soon. 

[Malcolm Rouse]

I did notice that a beta tester was flying the NEO on Vatsim last week . Hopefully won't be too long now .

[Peter Fabian]

23 hours ago, Alex Pugh said:

It took 5 years for FSL dip their toe into FSL with (1) variant of the A320 family. Not sure why anyone thinks their NEO is coming out anytime soon. 

 

And they were clear from the outset that the ceo and neo were under concurrent development and neo is supposed to follow soon under ceo.

Meanwhile FBW is developing theirs from scratch after decoupling from ProSim platform.

[Søren Dissing]

17 minutes ago, Peter Fabian said:

Meanwhile FBW is developing theirs from scratch after decoupling from ProSim platform.

Wrong - it's being developed by Fenixsim.

[Peter Fabian]

My bad, of course I meant Fenix.

[Rodrigo Andres Jipoulou Saez]

Is the A321neo in beta?
Is the A321neo sold with two engine options: CFM: LEAP and PW?

[Robert Sutherland]

On 4/12/2025 at 4:55 PM, Alex Pugh said:

IMO they should scrap the Neo now that Fenix is doing theirs and just focus on the A330

Nike should abandon making trainers because Adidas already make them. 

Microsoft should abandon Xbox because Sony already make consoles. 

Do you see the fallacy of that statement? Competition drives progress. It's a good thing that FSL are making an A321 Neo to their standards. It's good for the competition too because it provides a benchmark for their own work. 

[Thierry Nguepdjo]

2 hours ago, Robert Sutherland said:

Nike should abandon making trainers because Adidas already make them. 

Microsoft should abandon Xbox because Sony already make consoles. 

Do you see the fallacy of that statement? Competition drives progress. It's a good thing that FSL are making an A321 Neo to their standards. It's good for the competition too because it provides a benchmark for their own work. 

Not for nothing, but the competition is already really damn good. And faster. And more communicative........but you are correct. However, why not focus on the A330 where there is no competition at all? 

[Robert Sutherland]

7 minutes ago, Thierry Nguepdjo said:

Not for nothing, but the competition is already really damn good. And faster. And more communicative........but you are correct. However, why not focus on the A330 where there is no competition at all? 

The competition being 'damn good' is not a reason to stop competing. You don't stop running because a competitor is ahead of you. You work to catch them up. 

[Thierry Nguepdjo]

4 hours ago, Robert Sutherland said:

The competition being 'damn good' is not a reason to stop competing. You don't stop running because a competitor is ahead of you. You work to catch them up. 

Again, why not focus first where there is no competition at all? A330? Catch up on the rest later, they wasted enough time as is. 

[Trevor Hannant]

Think of the economics of what you're proposing - where the hell does the income come from if they scrap the work they're doing on the two NEO aircraft and start from scratch with the A330?  How long can they keep everyone employed with no products to sell?

[Alex Pugh]

15 hours ago, Trevor Hannant said:

Think of the economics of what you're proposing - where the hell does the income come from if they scrap the work they're doing on the two NEO aircraft and start from scratch with the A330?  How long can they keep everyone employed with no products to sell?

Well they survived years just selling the Concorde for a defunct platform so they'd probably be fine

[Thierry Nguepdjo]

16 hours ago, Trevor Hannant said:

Think of the economics of what you're proposing - where the hell does the income come from if they scrap the work they're doing on the two NEO aircraft and start from scratch with the A330?  How long can they keep everyone employed with no products to sell?

The A330 was announced in 2022! And had allegedly already been worked on for some time.... I'd like to think that by now, they'd hardly be starting "from scratch" on it...what are you talking about???