New FSL website and A321 CEO for MSFS

[Anirbinna Roy]

Will it work on msfs steam edition?

Yes


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[Anirbinna Roy]

To be honest with you no. P3D does not have a single merit nowadays. It's obsolete in every way. The "both sides" argument at this point is just appeasing, but it simply doesn't have ground to stand on. 

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[Robin Locher]

52 minutes ago, Vimal Anandharaman said:

Blackbox711 will be doing a stream tonight (or day) with the fsl devs.

Thanks for info 1700 UTC:) 

[San Lin]

Will be released right after the Livestream?

[Michele Benedetti]

Would be nice to have an official announcement with all kinds of information, from the upcoming a321s to Concorde and future products, onto the upcoming streams of the 321…still radio silence

[Ju_li_en Ke_ml_er]

54 minutes ago, San Lin said:

Will be released right after the Livestream?

In the past they have had a tendency to release during the livestream.

[stephen speak]

2 hours ago, Vimal Anandharaman said:

Blackbox711 will be doing a stream tonight (or day) with the fsl devs.

That surprises me..if I remember correctly he had a major fall out with FSLabs last time he was showcasing their product and moved on elsewhere 

[Antonis Kastrinakis]

10 hours ago, stephen speak said:

in all fairness..the only desktop simulator i've heard is anywhere near proper flight dynamics is xplane..now i have'nt used it..its just i know people who swear by it..

That is/was the general consensus, Stephen. However, with the arrival of 2024 this seems to be up in the air. Blade element theory [X-Plane] v/s CFD (computational fluid dynamics) [MSFS2024].
May I suggest you watch this, as performed by a real world A32x captain.

Cheers.

10 hours ago, stephen speak said:

in all fairness..the only desktop simulator i've heard is anywhere near proper flight dynamics is xplane..now i have'nt used it..its just i know people who swear by it..

 

[Robert Sutherland]

32 minutes ago, stephen speak said:

That surprises me..if I remember correctly he had a major fall out with FSLabs last time he was showcasing their product and moved on elsewhere 

I don’t think you remember correctly; there was never any mention of a fall out nor any indication of animosity.

He’s a free agent and decided to work with Fenix on their MSFS products. Seems completely reasonable. 
 

 

[Malcolm Rouse]

1 hour ago, stephen speak said:

That surprises me..if I remember correctly he had a major fall out with FSLabs last time he was showcasing their product and moved on elsewhere 

Utter garbage . 

[Robin Locher]

1 hour ago, stephen speak said:

That surprises me..if I remember correctly he had a major fall out with FSLabs last time he was showcasing their product and moved on elsewhere 

He went to Fenix, but went away from Fenix again. But it was just a tester, so no job or something

[Ray Proudfoot]

5 hours ago, Giuseppe Nelva said:

To be honest with you no. P3D does not have a single merit nowadays. It's obsolete in every way. The "both sides" argument at this point is just appeasing, but it simply doesn't have ground to stand on. 

That’s your opinion which you’re entitled to. It’s not a fact. LM only entered the arena because Microsoft pulled the plug on the Aces team 16 years ago. Without their involvement people would still have been flying FSX until 2020 or have switched to XP.

More respect should be shown to LM. P3D will always run and doesn’t require remote servers. The last two weeks have been an unmitigated disaster for MSFS2024. No doubt they’ll get their act together but I’m still very wary of being so reliant on external resources.

[stephen speak]

6 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

That’s your opinion which you’re entitled to. It’s not a fact. LM only entered the arena because Microsoft pulled the plug on the Aces team 16 years ago. Without their involvement people would still have been flying FSX until 2020 or have switched to XP.

More respect should be shown to LM. P3D will always run and doesn’t require remote servers. The last two weeks have been an unmitigated disaster for MSFS2024. No doubt they’ll get their act together but I’m still very wary of being so reliant on external resources.

my sentiments exactly ray..i like you have spent a lot of money getting my sim how i want it..i am getting too long in the tooth to be starting all over again..i didn't like fs2020..i thought i'd have a look at 2024 when it comes out..it seems that looks like an unmitigated disaster as well..no doubt asobo will get it sorted eventually..but why do they release unfinished products??..and people moan about fslabs taking ages to release products..well there's a casing point why

steve

[Lefteris Kalamaras]

On 11/30/2024 at 12:31 PM, Andreas Guther said:

I'm keen to see how the FBW system has improved in the new sim and how it compares in manual flying with the FBW A32NX and the Fenix. As I've created large parts of the A32NX FBW and Autopilot system this is of special interest for me :-)

I'm really looking forward to trying it out.

We'll really welcome your opinion Andreas!
Just FYI - your work is really respected around our office .

[fahdriyami]

Really looking forward to FSLabs entry into MSFS. That said, I hope the A321neo is a standalone product rather than an expansion to the A321ceo. I already have a ceo in MSFS and it doesn't make sense to me to get a second one just to I can get a neo expansion with it.

Also looking forward to the A330! Unfortunately, the one built into MSFS 2024, while better than default, is not as high-fidelity an aircraft as what I like to fly.

Keep up the great work, exciting times ahead!

[Lefteris Kalamaras]

6 hours ago, Norio Sasaki said:

Will it work on msfs steam edition?

Steam and Store are equally supported, yes.

[Chris Kreuzbichler]

Are you guys fine?

Everybody is asking "When FSL" or "How FSL" but nobody ever asks "How FSL team" 

[Matt Crick]

14 minutes ago, Chris Kreuzbichler said:

but nobody ever asks "How FSL team"

Busy...! Very busy 

[Ray Proudfoot]

@stephen speak, money invested in a sim seems to go out of the window for many people when something new comes along. I've invested heavily in airports, aircraft and other software for P3D. To junk it all now makes no sense. Everything works perfectly and the icing on the cake was Steam's Lossless Generation that cost me an outrageous 7GBP and has doubled my frame rates.

I've been enjoying flying a 64-bit Concorde for the last year. Those waiting for the MSFS version have no idea how much longer they'll wait.

And it's that particular aircraft that simply does gain any benefit from another sim. When you're climbing after takeoff you really don't have time to admire the view. And neither do you when on cruise/climb as you're over water. Water is water is water irrespective of the sim.

During the decel and descent you need your wits about you as I've found the decel point isn't always right so I'm manually calculating it myself using the HP200X utility.

Just because a prettier woman that your wife / girlfriend turns up is that sufficient reason to dump your spouse even if she's a better cook and companion? Hmmm.

[Jordan Collins]

WHAT VERSION OF THE NEO ARE THEY DOING?

[Moritz Butz]

I think I am gonna buy the FSL A321ceo and pretend it’s an A330…so in love with the A330.

[Norio Sasaki]

43 minutes ago, Lefteris Kalamaras said:

Steam and Store are equally supported, yes.

Thanks for the reply.

[Peng Jia]

8 minutes ago, Moritz Butz said:

I think I am gonna buy the FSL A321ceo and pretend it’s an A330…so in love with the A330.

I think I am gonna buy the FSL A321ceo and pretend it’s an Concorde…so in love with the Concorde.

[Michele Benedetti]

13 minutes ago, Moritz Butz said:

I think I am gonna buy the FSL A321ceo and pretend it’s an A330…so in love with the A330.

This. We need an A330 from FsLabs desperately. As we need Concorde!

[Alex Pugh]

4 minutes ago, Peng Jia said:

I think I am gonna buy the FSL A321ceo and pretend it’s an Concorde…so in love with the Concorde.

Set simrate to 2x and boom - instant Concorde 

[Bernd Edlinger]

Just, that nobody will miss it

 

[Giuseppe Nelva]

2 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

That’s your opinion which you’re entitled to. It’s not a fact. LM only entered the arena because Microsoft pulled the plug on the Aces team 16 years ago. Without their involvement people would still have been flying FSX until 2020 or have switched to XP.

More respect should be shown to LM. P3D will always run and doesn’t require remote servers. The last two weeks have been an unmitigated disaster for MSFS2024. No doubt they’ll get their act together but I’m still very wary of being so reliant on external resources.

I'm sorry but that's a ridiculous notion. 

Respect not only has to be earned but also has to be maintained. Lockheed Martin has proven completely incapable or unwilling to evolve its product in step with the evolution of technology (and I'm not talking only about graphics) and has decided to stick to a codebase that can only be defined as a fossil or a stinking carrion to the detriment of its users and the developers relying on the platform. They have hidden behind the "we're not an entertainment product" excuse for a ludicrously long time (but then they go to FS Expo to blabber nonsense at entertainment customers), and that excuse has passed its expiration date long ago. 

Considering LM's financial resources, they could have *easily* created a simulator on par with MSFS from scratch if they decided to make a proper investment, but they opted very willingly to stick with the shortcut of sublicensing an incredibly obsolete product that even comes with strings attached. They deserve zero respect for that. Not even a little bit. 

Microsoft Flight Simulator has brought much-needed evolution to the simulation genre, and with it the ability for developers like FSLabs to hopefully make a living without having to get grey hair by optimizing every little bit of margin that they can. I honestly feel for developers like this one who *tried* to continue supporting P3D as long as they could. I can't imagine their finances benefited from that, and I can only hope that MSFS and MSFS 2024 help them recover. 

Lockheed Martin represents the stubborn refusal to evolve and to create a market that can let third-party developers actually thrive, and that's not a respectable stance. It has never been. It will never be. 

They may be able to ridiculously overcharge governments, but most simmers are smarter customers than that and have seen that the (false) emperor is naked long ago.  

PS: you shouldn't talk about MSFS2024. You always seem to be very keen on talking about Microsoft's simulators (negatively) when you notoriously don't have direct visibility on the subject matter. I suggest you stick to what you know. Most of the issues are already gone, and it's already an infinitely superior product compared to P3D from every point of view. Without even looking at the visuals (that would be uncharitable, like shooting on an ambulance), the level both its systems and flight dynamics have reached is completely unreachable for P3D. 

[Norman Blackburn]

Thread Reminder: Stay on Topic

Hello everyone,

As a reminder, this thread is dedicated to discussing our new website and the upcoming products we’re excited to share with you. We’re here to hear your thoughts about these specific topics.

Please remember:

• Discussions about other developers, simulators, or comparisons of their strengths and weaknesses should be made elsewhere.
• This is not the place for debates about personal opinions or off-topic discussions. Let’s keep the conversation focused and productive.

We appreciate your cooperation in maintaining a positive and relevant environment for everyone.

Thank you!

 

[Ray Proudfoot]

12 minutes ago, Giuseppe Nelva said:

I'm sorry but that's a ridiculous notion. 

Respect not only has to be earned but also has to be maintained. Lockheed Martin has proven completely incapable or unwilling to evolve its product in step with the evolution of technology

Did you not realise they were restricted by Microsoft from what they could change in the ESP code? Clearly not. They’ve taken it from DX9 to DX12, 32-bit to 64-bit, multi core processing, enhanced global terrain and a whole lot more. It’s your claim that’s ridiculous.

 

12 minutes ago, Giuseppe Nelva said:

PS: you shouldn't talk about MSFS2024. You always seem to be very keen on talking about Microsoft's simulators (negatively) when you notoriously don't have direct visibility on the subject matter.

Ah but I do. I attend a monthly flight sim meeting where I can see it first hand. Wrong on that count too. I’ve always been open to new software but I’m never an early adopter. I wait and make judgement calls based on feedback in the various forums.

In four years I’ve seen nothing that tempts me to buy it.

I see you haven’t bought a single FSL product. Why are you here?

And having seen Norman’s post that’s me done.

[Michele Benedetti]

Yeah let’s follow Norman’s advice and discuss upcoming products: what about the MSFS Concorde? Is it near, far away, on hold, still in development, cancelled???

[Leslie Channell]

On 11/11/2024 at 8:25 PM, Jamie Prince said:

Hoping for skalarki compatibility 

That's a biggie for me...

[Giuseppe Nelva]

16 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I see you haven’t bought a single FSL product. Why are you here?

I'm here because I'm interested in purchasing FSL's products now that I am not required to waste my time and money on an incredibly obsolete platform (including everything that is needed to bring that platform to the bare minimum level of usability, which is very, very far from zero) to enjoy them. 

Fairly sure I'm in the right place, and I'm far from the only one. I'm also ready to bet that FSL hopes to get a lot of potential new customers like me. 

[Norman Blackburn]

10 minutes ago, Michele Benedetti said:

Yeah let’s follow Norman’s advice and discuss upcoming products: what about the MSFS Concorde? Is it near, far away, on hold, still in development, cancelled???

 

17 minutes ago, Norman Blackburn said:

We’re here to hear your thoughts about these specific topics.

I often choose my words carefully.  This was one of those times.  Feel free to discuss howewer for now we won't comment in regards to other products.  Additionally this thread is about the website and a singular product.

[Moritz Butz]

13 minutes ago, Norman Blackburn said:

 

I often choose my words carefully.  This was one of those times.  Feel free to discuss howewer for now we won't comment in regards to other products.  Additionally this thread is about the website and a singular product.

The new website is really nice! Looks very professional.

[Ben Mathon]

So fresh website and live stream. Can we expect a new style of communication? more frequent, more open?

Would really like to hear about a possible roadmap, and where the Concorde will fit in it. 

[Alex Pugh]

7 minutes ago, Ben Mathon said:

So fresh website and live stream. Can we expect a new style of communication? more frequent, more open?

A discord would be a good start IMO

[Giuseppe Nelva]

Just now, Alex Pugh said:

A discord would be a good start IMO

Second that

[Peter Fabian]

7 hours ago, stephen speak said:

That surprises me..if I remember correctly he had a major fall out with FSLabs last time he was showcasing their product and moved on elsewhere 

Blackbox was the one who leaked the MSFS FSL bus about a week ago, just after the new site went online briefly. Not sure if it was on purpose, or just a coincidence in timing, but we know for sure he's involved.

1 hour ago, Giuseppe Nelva said:

I'm sorry but that's a ridiculous notion. 

Respect not only has to be earned but also has to be maintained. Lockheed Martin has proven completely incapable or unwilling to evolve its product in step with the evolution of technology

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Considering LM's financial resources, they could have *easily* created a simulator on par with MSFS from scratch if they decided to make a proper investment, but they opted very willingly to stick with the shortcut of sublicensing an incredibly obsolete product that even comes with strings attached. They deserve zero respect for that. Not even a little bit. 

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Lockheed Martin represents the stubborn refusal to evolve and to create a market that can let third-party developers actually thrive, and that's not a respectable stance. It has never been. It will never be. 

They may be able to ridiculously overcharge governments, but most simmers are smarter customers than that and have seen that the (false) emperor is naked long ago.  

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I'm sorry, but you are wrong on so. many. god. damn. levels.

You seem to be laboring under the idea that general public flight simulator games are be all, end all of simulator development. That LM has been making content with scraps so it can keep its commercial side over water. That it's dead.

You are not even scratching the surface... it was, in fact, exactly the other way around. LM bought ESP and created P3D to ensure continuity of its commercial solutions. P3D is used at all levels from driving basic, generic FNPT to being the visual engine for a full-cockpit, hydraulic moving sims. 

It is us, home simmers, who got the scraps, and we should be happy for that, because it not only allowed the flight simulation hobby to hobble along for the 10 or so years between disbanding the ACES team and announcement of new generation MSFS, but to thrive with regards to innovation in top tier products like FSL.

[Giuseppe Nelva]

4 minutes ago, Peter Fabian said:

It is us, home simmers, who got the scraps

You get the scraps only if you support the platform that gives you (and third-party developers) the scraps. 

Now, about that A321neo, hopefully "shortly" is meant literally and not metaphorically. 

Door is still open to convince me to get the ceo, but the bar is higher there. 

[Chris Kreuzbichler]

51 minutes ago, Alex Pugh said:

A discord would be a good start IMO

There is an unofficial one

[Alex Pugh]

1 minute ago, Chris Kreuzbichler said:

There is an unofficial one

Yes, but lots of devs are running official ones to interact with their customers (even PMDG did this recently). 

[Giuseppe Nelva]

1 minute ago, Alex Pugh said:

Yes, but lots of devs are running official ones to interact with their customers (even PMDG did this recently). 

To be precise, PMDG just turned the unofficial one into official. Perhaps that's a route that can be navigated. 

[Alfredo Terrero]

Despite owning many a321’s in MSFS, I’ve still always yearned for the FSL version. Glad to see that we are approaching release.

[Lazo Lluka]

NEO is a stand alone product according to Lefteris

[Lazo Lluka]

No discount for P3D users. Plane has been made from scratch and its an new product. Its a discount from the previous P3D prices anyways.