New FSL website and A321 CEO for MSFS

[Andreas Guther]

I'm keen to see how the FBW system has improved in the new sim and how it compares in manual flying with the FBW A32NX and the Fenix. As I've created large parts of the A32NX FBW and Autopilot system this is of special interest for me :-)

I'm really looking forward to trying it out.

[Josh Ward]

59 minutes ago, stephen speak said:

As per usual with FSLabs..making the wrong commercial decision..why on this platform do they start with the A321??..fsx and p3d started with the 320 as the base..not that I’d be getting this any time soon..just curious 

I’m guessing here, but judging by what’s coming out from FSL I’d say it’s not just about aircraft, they’re trying to simulate aviation ops. 
 

MEL’s, working circuit breakers, wear and tear items and failures are all part of airline ops. 

Look at the changes of aircraft in airline fleets in the real world - they’re all growing in size. A321 sales are off the charts and A319’s have essentially zero interest.

If that’s what FSL are trying to simulate, then I’d expect A321neo’s, LR’s and XLR’s in the future. 

[stephen speak]

1 hour ago, Anirbinna Roy said:

No like I am asking for mfs, they should be coming out with the 320 in mfs right ?the 321 isn’t suitable for all routes

@Lefteris Kalamaras @Andrew Wilson @Norman Blackburn please respond


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Good luck getting a response..I’ve been waiting for one for 6 weeks regarding a very expensive overhead license that @Norman Blackburn said contact us if you have any problems 

[John BONNIN]

Good news for the NEO ! standalone I hope ?
The 321 will be available in the marketplace ? compatible msfs24 day one ? compatible Xbox ?
Can we have some news about the concorde for msfs ?

[Holger Teutsch]

Very exiting news. Are there plans to add support for the minFCU or Simwings FCU?

Once you used one you will never go without it...

[Alexander Hamilton]

Would be nice to actually hear from the higher-ups about a full roadmap and if there are plans for the rest of the A32X family. It’s just letting speculation run rife with this radio silence and teasers without anything concrete to run on.
 

Especially for us P3D users who have waited for the FSLabs to come to MSFS. Absolute silence for 2yrs with nothing to run on is getting old.

[Robin Locher]

36 minutes ago, John BONNIN said:

Good news for the NEO !
The 321 will be available in the marketplace ? compatible msfs24 day one ? compatible Xbox ?
Can we have some news about the concorde for msfs ?

Xbox?? sure not

[Vimal Anandharaman]

I would like to believe that the silence in responding to certain questions probably means that there is going to be a massive announcement post in the forums which answers all of them. I hope...

[David Gray]

7 hours ago, Giuseppe Nelva said:

Almost same. But if the Neo is a significant update over the excellent one provided by inibuilds with the sim, it won't be too little too late for me. I'd say just in the nick of time.

I'll also wait for MSFS 2024 compatibility because now that it works fine, there's no way I'm reinstalling 2020. 

I just hope an A320neo will follow. Considering the much larger usage among airlines, that's much higher on my wishlist than the 321neo.

I did have to giggle at some of the hyperbolic marketing verbiage used on the site tho. Being used to press releases, that's on the wilder side and pretty funny. 

Not sure where you come up with the a320neo being more widely used. That’s incorrect. Look up the order stats. Perhaps you are thinking of the ceo family 

[Stéphane LI-THIAO-TE]

For those who never read stuff, I'm quoting this from FSLabs website :

Quote

FlightSimLabs is thrilled to announce the development of the A321neo for MSFS 2020/2024! Building on the success of the A321ceo, which has served as a test bed for this exciting new project, the A321neo will continue our commitment to delivering high-quality aircraft simulations. While the project is still in progress, it will follow shortly behind the release of our A321ceo. As a token of appreciation, customers who purchase the A321ceo between now and the A321neo release will be eligible for a discount on the A321neo.

 

[stephen speak]

2 hours ago, John BONNIN said:

Good news for the NEO !
The 321 will be available in the marketplace ? compatible msfs24 day one ? compatible Xbox ?
Can we have some news about the concorde for msfs ?

it is NOT available on xbox..read the presser properly

[Steve Browne]

Give me strength, yet another airbus......... almost had a heart attack this morning  " Get your all new fsl concorde" ,  WHAT?!?! New website, etc, I thought this is it !!!!  No, old product for p3d.......... 

Don't understand..........

 

 

 

 

 

[stephen speak]

16 minutes ago, Stéphane LI-THIAO-TE said:

For those who never read stuff, I'm quoting this from FSLabs website :

 

i and many others remember the announcement..we will be doing the NEO and A330 for P3D first..that seems to have fallen on stoney ground..fslabs are the best in my opinion at what they do..albeit very slow and just as slow with updates on progress etc..i personally think this has come too late for msfs..i don't use that platform but i don't see as much excitement with this as there was with tha other airbus add on released recently

[stephen speak]

Just now, Steve Browne said:

Give me strength, yet another airbus......... almost had a heart attack this morning  " Get your all new fsl concorde" ,  WHAT?!?! New website, etc, I thought this is it !!!!  No, old product for p3d.......... 

Don't understand..........

 

 

 

 

 

i feel your pain mate..i am p3d as well and have no plans to go to what i still regard as a game (contensious i know..but thats how i see it)..still waiting 2 1/2 years for the NEO that was supposed to be developed first on p3d..yes they changed their minds when development had started..hopefully it will be finished off and put on sale

[Andrew Wilson]

4 hours ago, stephen speak said:

As per usual with FSLabs..making the wrong commercial decision..why on this platform do they start with the A321?

Respectfully, Stephen, your comments appear to be misinformed. You continue to suggest that we should invest in creating new content for P3D, but such a move would be commercially unviable and unsustainable in today’s market.

The individuals involved in Flight Sim Labs have been part of this industry for over 25 years, and our decisions are guided by extensive experience and understanding of its trends. We believe we’re making the best choices for both our business and our customers.

Thank you for your input.

[Pablo Prada]

4 minutes ago, Andrew Wilson said:

Respectfully, Stephen, your comments appear to be misinformed. You continue to suggest that we should invest in creating new content for P3D, but such a move would be commercially unviable and unsustainable in today’s market.

The individuals involved in Flight Sim Labs have been part of this industry for over 25 years, and our decisions are guided by extensive experience and understanding of its trends. We believe we’re making the best choices for both our business and our customers.

Thank you for your input.

So we got the answer. No more  updates and projects for P3D. Good no know

[Antonis Kastrinakis]

33 minutes ago, stephen speak said:

i feel your pain mate..i am p3d as well and have no plans to go to what i still regard as a game (contensious i know..but thats how i see it)

I was running P3D and 2020 in parallel for about a year and a half until MSFS matured (the programme itself plus the availability of add-ons) and won me over. P3D had remained on my system purely because of the FSL buses but the visual feast that is MSFS finally won me over.

I have been waiting for FSL to come out with their Bus series for the platform but in the meantime the FBW A20N is tidying me over. Have to admit that the Fenix is looking extremely tempting now that FSL have more or less confirmed no 320 for the Microsoft platform.

As I see it I will most likely jumping on the Fenix offering for a 320 and will wait for FSL's 321.

2020 is no more a game than P3D is/was. Except with brilliant visuals that make this old man smile every time I take to the skies in it.

[Dani Zijlmans]

How long will it take to update the CEO and NEO for MSFS2024? Only reason to get the FSLabs product again after using them back in the P3D days is is they come quick (I hope before 2025) for MSFS2024. I`m done with MSFS2020

[Eric Fisher]

Where do you all see anything officially mentioned about a NEO?

Edit - NVM, found it. 

[Andrew Wilson]

9 minutes ago, Pablo Prada said:

So we got the answer. No more  updates and projects for P3D. Good no know

Pablo, I encourage you to read my response carefully. I was very specific in using the term "new content".

[stephen speak]

21 minutes ago, Andrew Wilson said:

Respectfully, Stephen, your comments appear to be misinformed. You continue to suggest that we should invest in creating new content for P3D, but such a move would be commercially unviable and unsustainable in today’s market.

The individuals involved in Flight Sim Labs have been part of this industry for over 25 years, and our decisions are guided by extensive experience and understanding of its trends. We believe we’re making the best choices for both our business and our customers.

Thank you for your input.

thanks for your reply andy..i'm sure you know what you're doing..but as you must be able to see..P3D is far from dead..yes it's probably easier and probably cheaper with man hours etc to develop for msfs..but when that wasn't around..how did your company survive??..FSX and P3D..you were constantly developing and coming up with new ideas..was fantastic to be part of that community..i don't like what i see with msfs 2020 and thought i might have a look at 2024 when it comes out.. and the feedback i'm getting from that is believe it or not..worse..i honestly thought that you would continue with p3d the same as when you stepped up from fsx to p3d..suppose i was wrong on that..at least i got a quick response from this as i still haven't got a response from this...

6 weeks ago..can you please elaborate as quickly on that

cheers

steve

[stephen speak]

24 minutes ago, Antonis Kastrinakis said:

I was running P3D and 2020 in parallel for about a year and a half until MSFS matured (the programme itself plus the availability of add-ons) and won me over. P3D had remained on my system purely because of the FSL buses but the visual feast that is MSFS finally won me over.

I have been waiting for FSL to come out with their Bus series for the platform but in the meantime the FBW A20N is tidying me over. Have to admit that the Fenix is looking extremely tempting now that FSL have more or less confirmed no 320 for the Microsoft platform.

As I see it I will most likely jumping on the Fenix offering for a 320 and will wait for FSL's 321.

2020 is no more a game than P3D is/was. Except with brilliant visuals that make this old man smile every time I take to the skies in it.

P3D is developed as a training simulator by lockheed martin..one of the planets biggest aerospace companies..msfs is developed by ASOBO gaming studio based in bordeaux france..to me there's a subtle difference

[Norman Blackburn]

30 minutes ago, Antonis Kastrinakis said:

now that FSL have more or less confirmed no 320 for the Microsoft platform.

Hi Antonis,

Nowhere have we stated this.

6 minutes ago, stephen speak said:

6 weeks ago..can you please elaborate as quickly on that

Stephen,

The past month plus (until last night) saw me with all but zero FSL time due to real work taking most of my waking time 6 days a week.  My family took the remaining 1.  From what I recall seeing on the fleeting moments I had to check the forum via phone, the first unit was defective and there was something wrong on the second?  Perhaps you would continue in its appropriate thread.  Note that like most of us, tagging in post doesn't work.

[stephen speak]

Just now, Norman Blackburn said:

Hi Antonis,

Nowhere have we stated this.

The past month plus (until last night) saw me with all but zero FSL time due to real work taking most of my waking time 6 days a week.  My family took the remaining 1.  From what I recall seeing on the fleeting moments I had to check the forum via phone, the first unit was defective and there was something wrong on the second?  Perhaps you would continue in its appropriate thread.  Note that like most of us, tagging in post doesn't work.

@Norman Blackburn..noted mate..hopefully its firmware problems..as and when marcin finds out the exact problem i will share the results on the appropriate forum as i know people are looking to buy the mini overhead but are hesitant with it not working with fslabs

blue skies

steve

[David Gray]

I think people like to overstate P3D being a serious sim and MSFS being a game.  Have we forgot that flying in p3d was similar in many ways to a train simulator where you were literally flying on rails? Change is hard.  I was one of the people who took over a year to get to msfs despite having access to the alpha when it first released.  But I'm glad I did.  I can't blame FSL in any way for moving on and stopping new development in p3d if they in fact go that route.  While those who stuck behind sure feel passion and affinity to that sim, it doesn't change the fact that the potential customer base for anything new in p3d is VERY SMALL.  If I made payware airplanes as a business with a primary goal to feed and provide for my family, I certainly wouldn't spend any time on p3d right now.  No offense intended to anybody with that statement. 

[Peter Fabian]

Steve, I encourage you to give FS2020 an honest try. I, too, was resistant for a long time, but paradoxically, the nearing release of 2024 pushed me over, and I have found, that unlike at the time of my previous attempt, I can now use it without any major compromises (I would still like to have Chaseplane, but with Flow... I can get around good enough, and lack of 2D panel system including pop-ups is annoying, but manageable)

What I have found is a wonderful platform, full of active communities I have not seen since Aces was disbanded.

The platform enables devs to deliver exceptional planes - even freeware ones, again, not seen since the likes of Project Tupolev in FS9/FSX or iFly 747. And I can see that FSL is going to jump straight in and raise the bar even further.

That's all not to mention the immersion that the graphical engine, and rich environment of free and paid sceneries allow for. For the first time ever, I can fly VFR and not feel weird about it. But it also extends into airliner flying - landing in LCY, AMS or FRA and recognizing the landmarks I recognize from landing in them as pax just hits different.

There's a reason that so many people have switched.

[Andreas Guther]

1 hour ago, stephen speak said:

P3D is developed as a training simulator by lockheed martin..one of the planets biggest aerospace companies..msfs is developed by ASOBO gaming studio based in bordeaux france..to me there's a subtle difference

Let's not forget that both simulators share the same core and heritage. Lockheed Martin bought the source code of FSX from Microsoft and developed it further. Same story on the side of Asobo.

In Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 and 2024 there was a lot of stuff added in regard to flight dynamics that P3D as far as I know does not have (CFD for example, Helicopter simulation, wake turbulence). So, I don't get where this "it's just game" attitude comes from.

To be honest I was also very skeptical regarding all the XBox players coming into this segment, but in the meantime, I see a lot of positive sides. The market and industry for flight simulation has increased so much...that wasn't possible before. See all the new scenery and hardware that gets available.

Besides that, with MSFS 2020 and beyond it's possible to fly VFR and make yourself familiar with the environment. It's amazing how good you can recognize real places and airports in the sim and vice versa. That is something not possible in P3D.

The following video is from MSFS 2020 (best played full screen to see the engines wobble):

[Matthew Mason]

Hi FSL Team,

I have been a fan of your products for many years. The recent Concorde for P3D is the best simulation I have ever flown - it challenged my current knowledge of flight simming and piloting, elevated the realism factor of my sim beyond levels I had imagined P3D could rise to, and allowed me to explore a past world of aviation I had not previously experienced. To put shortly: Concorde is absolutely superb and the only reason I had continued to fly in P3D since MSFS had proven its capabilities as a sim. I am a huge fan of your products as I have been consistently blown away by the quality.

But I worry. While I wish you the absolute best for this new A321CEO product in MSFS (and hopefully many sales), the team's commercial decision making over the past few years, consistent radio silence on development and roadmap, and walking-back of the very little development/roadmap news that had previously chosen to share, has been questionable to me. You comment that (paraphrasing) the decision-making process is guided by extensive experience and understanding of industry trends, for over 25 years - but to be completely honest, I think this may be where the issue lies. The industry has simply shifted away from rewarding this type of development. Simmers are exhausted of the "historic" development type of 5-10 years ago, when waiting this long for a product release or even development news was the norm. The time for treating your customer base in this manner is well and past over, and I think FSL must either shift with it, or be forgotten. With that said, however, I have never developed or been remotely close to flight sim development in my life. Take it with a grain of salt. But I will not lie, I am nervous. I would ask questions about the team's future plans, but I am aware we must await an official announcement, which I am sure and hope will be very soon. 

At this point, I am trying desperately to be excited for the A321CEO. But being a fan and supporter of the FSL Development Team over the past few years has been both exhausting and frustrating, and I cannot help but think I would have vastly preferred literally any single product or potential product for MSFS from FSL other than an A320CEO variant. We shall certainly have to wait and allow the product to speak for itself, and I sincerely hope it leaves me eating my own words! Cheers, and best of luck with the release - feel free to blow us all away with another spectacular simulation!!!

[Ryan Argue]

2 hours ago, stephen speak said:

P3D is developed as a training simulator by lockheed martin..one of the planets biggest aerospace companies..msfs is developed by ASOBO gaming studio based in bordeaux france..to me there's a subtle difference

Nothing you have at home makes P3D a training sim.  

[Artem Kachanov]

7 hours ago, Anirbinna Roy said:

No like I am asking for mfs, they should be coming out with the 320 in mfs right ?the 321 isn’t suitable for all routes

@Lefteris Kalamaras @Andrew Wilson @Norman Blackburn please respond


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It seems to me that this decision was made at a time when fenix did not have a321 and especially sharklets. That is, the a321 niche was free. But no one could have thought that fenix would release a321 sl so quickly. For fslabs it was probably too late to change anything.

[Jarga Mboge]

Well-done fslabs team . The A321 looks amazing. I particularly am looking forward to A321 NEO and Concorde . Any updates on Concorde ? 

[Søren Dissing]

2 hours ago, Andreas Guther said:

The following video is from MSFS 2020 (best played full screen to see the engines wobble):

That's just beautiful Andreas. I've used the A380 for a few for flights for BAVirtual, very enjoyable!

[Nikola Jovanovic]

2 hours ago, Matthew Mason said:

Hi FSL Team,

I have been a fan of your products for many years. The recent Concorde for P3D is the best simulation I have ever flown - it challenged my current knowledge of flight simming and piloting, elevated the realism factor of my sim beyond levels I had imagined P3D could rise to, and allowed me to explore a past world of aviation I had not previously experienced. To put shortly: Concorde is absolutely superb and the only reason I had continued to fly in P3D since MSFS had proven its capabilities as a sim. I am a huge fan of your products as I have been consistently blown away by the quality.

But I worry. While I wish you the absolute best for this new A321CEO product in MSFS (and hopefully many sales), the team's commercial decision making over the past few years, consistent radio silence on development and roadmap, and walking-back of the very little development/roadmap news that had previously chosen to share, has been questionable to me. You comment that (paraphrasing) the decision-making process is guided by extensive experience and understanding of industry trends, for over 25 years - but to be completely honest, I think this may be where the issue lies. The industry has simply shifted away from rewarding this type of development. Simmers are exhausted of the "historic" development type of 5-10 years ago, when waiting this long for a product release or even development news was the norm. The time for treating your customer base in this manner is well and past over, and I think FSL must either shift with it, or be forgotten. With that said, however, I have never developed or been remotely close to flight sim development in my life. Take it with a grain of salt. But I will not lie, I am nervous. I would ask questions about the team's future plans, but I am aware we must await an official announcement, which I am sure and hope will be very soon. 

At this point, I am trying desperately to be excited for the A321CEO. But being a fan and supporter of the FSL Development Team over the past few years has been both exhausting and frustrating, and I cannot help but think I would have vastly preferred literally any single product or potential product for MSFS from FSL other than an A320CEO variant. We shall certainly have to wait and allow the product to speak for itself, and I sincerely hope it leaves me eating my own words! Cheers, and best of luck with the release - feel free to blow us all away with another spectacular simulation!!!

I dont understand this post. Why are you nervous? Is your money at stake? Do you own the business? Why do you think you are invited to offer a business advice?

Let the people run their business, if you like the product, you can buy it and that”s where your entitlement ends.

[Giuseppe Nelva]

7 hours ago, David Gray said:

Not sure where you come up with the a320neo being more widely used. That’s incorrect. Look up the order stats. Perhaps you are thinking of the ceo family 

No. I'm thinking of exactly what I said.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/a32n/a20n

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/a32n/a21n

4 hours ago, Andreas Guther said:

n Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 and 2024 there was a lot of stuff added in regard to flight dynamics that P3D as far as I know does not have (CFD for example, Helicopter simulation, wake turbulence). So, I don't get where this "it's just game" attitude comes from.

I know. It's called "irrational snobism."

Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 and 2020 are superior simulations to P3D in pretty literally everything. There has never been a time in which this wasn't the case.

But ultimately, this isn't even that important. The important factor is that FSL is a business, and a business' primary goals are to stay in business and generate revenue and from that profit. The ol' dear "put food on the table."

Today's P3D is completely incapable of fulfilling these conditions (and struggled even before). That's not FSL's fault, or any third-party developer's fault.

It isn't even Microsoft's or MSFS' fault. The only guilty party for this is Lockheed Martin, which was incapable (or unwilling) of creating and maintaining a platform capable of properly supporting healthy business for third-party developers.

No one else made their business choices for them, and their business choices are pretty literally the opposite of what third-party companies depending on their platform need to thrive. 

[Antonis Kastrinakis]

7 hours ago, Norman Blackburn said:

Hi Antonis,

Nowhere have we stated this.

 

G'day Norm

Interesting.

7 hours ago, stephen speak said:

P3D is developed as a training simulator by lockheed martin..one of the planets biggest aerospace companies..msfs is developed by ASOBO gaming studio based in bordeaux france..to me there's a subtle difference

P3D was "developed" by Microsoft. It's the same tired old engine (ESP) the original MSFS was based on. LM bought the rights and "developed" it into a "training" simulator as far as systems were concerned. The flight physics are as inadequate as they were in FSX, which is why I said that P3D is comparable to 2020 (poor flight dynamics - however I believe that 2024 has improved these quite dramatically).
The big difference is in the depiction of the world in the sim. 2020 is head and shoulders above P3D (out of the box). If you add a few hundred bucks/quid of add-ons for P3D you start getting an improved version of the world but still nothing like a default 2020.

[stephen speak]

5 minutes ago, Antonis Kastrinakis said:

G'day Norm

Interesting.

P3D was "developed" by Microsoft. It's the same tired old engine (ESP) the original MSFS was based on. LM bought the rights and "developed" it into a "training" simulator as far as systems were concerned. The flight physics are as inadequate as they were in FSX, which is why I said that P3D is comparable to 2020 (poor flight dynamics - however I believe that 2024 has improved these quite dramatically).
The big difference is in the depiction of the world in the sim. 2020 is head and shoulders above P3D (out of the box). If you add a few hundred bucks/quid of add-ons for P3D you start getting an improved version of the world but still nothing like a default 2020.

in all fairness..the only desktop simulator i've heard is anywhere near proper flight dynamics is xplane..now i have'nt used it..its just i know people who swear by it..unfortunately fslabs definately will not go there with development as that platform is definately more niche than the others and far from as popular

[David Gray]

4 hours ago, Giuseppe Nelva said:

No. I'm thinking of exactly what I said.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/a32n/a20n

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/a32n/a21n

 

I rest my case.  The future state is clear just by orders...

[David Gray]

1 hour ago, stephen speak said:

in all fairness..the only desktop simulator i've heard is anywhere near proper flight dynamics is xplane..now i have'nt used it..its just i know people who swear by it..unfortunately fslabs definately will not go there with development as that platform is definately more niche than the others and far from as popular

You are calling for them to do new p3d stuff though.  P3D is undeniably even LESS popular than xplane.  Xplane is 2nd to MSFS now.  

[San Lin]

If you want to experience aerodynamics, you should fly a D-class simulator. What ever you said, P3D or MSFS is just a game,a simulation game. It is obvious that MSFS has already occupied the main market of flight simulator. Flightsimlabs is a company that needs to make profits, and we have no right to demand that it give up profits and develop a product with  low market share. Unless you are his shareholder, you can pay salaries to their employees.

For P3D product,now Flightsimlabs said it will continue to provide ticket services and technical support for P3D products in the future is already a good result.

[Anirbinna Roy]

Gentlemen,please let’s not make this thread about MSFS vs P3D yet again ! Both has their own merits and demerits , fly whatever you like .

Let’s stick to the topic of the thread and not get this thread locked


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[Ryan Argue]

22 minutes ago, Anirbinna Roy said:

Gentlemen,please let’s not make this thread about MSFS vs P3D yet again ! Both has their own merits and demerits , fly whatever you like .

Let’s stick to the topic of the thread and not get this thread locked


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They may both have the merits, but they definitely don’t both have their markets any more, and that’s what people are talking about.  

[Anirbinna Roy]

They may both have the merits, but they definitely don’t both have their markets any more, and that’s what people are talking about.  

I definitely agree , but the topic is changing from New FSl website & products to MSFS vs P3D yet again .


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[Norio Sasaki]

Will it work on msfs steam edition?

[Giuseppe Nelva]

6 hours ago, David Gray said:

I rest my case.  The future state is clear just by orders...

Did I talk about the future? Do I care about the future? I don't fly in the future. If I were, I might as well seek electric planes instead of A32Xs. 

That backlog will actually move the needle when we'll have Microsoft Flight Simulator 2032. 

7 hours ago, stephen speak said:

in all fairness..the only desktop simulator i've heard is anywhere near proper flight dynamics is xplane..

MFS 2024 made this claim incredibly obsolete, and mature MSFS 2020 was already well on its way to. 

"X-Plane has better flight dynamics!" is a mere urban legend nowadays, supported by nothing. 

 

3 hours ago, Anirbinna Roy said:

Gentlemen,please let’s not make this thread about MSFS vs P3D yet again ! Both has their own merits and demerits , fly whatever you like .

To be honest with you no. P3D does not have a single merit nowadays. It's obsolete in every way. The "both sides" argument at this point is just appeasing, but it simply doesn't have ground to stand on. 

[Vimal Anandharaman]

Blackbox711 will be doing a stream tonight (or day) with the fsl devs.