Ryan Argue Posted December 10 Posted December 10 5 hours ago, Keith A Holt said: Not disagreeing with you, but I wonder if there is in fact still a real business to be made supporting P3D. I imagine most remaining P3D customers at this point are commercial users. In particular, flight training schools. Also hobbyists with expensive hardware cockpits like me. These users would be willing to pay a far higher price (e.g., compare to Pro-Sim) than an MSFS product will command. So much smaller volume, yes. But if a user is willing to pay many thousands of dollars plus thousands more on annual maintenance fee like they do for Pro-Sim or the commercial version of JeeHell FMGS, that makes up for a lot of loss in volume. MSFS will never be suitable for this market. It fundamentally can’t be FAA certified, and it’s problematic in many other ways as well. There is a market for a “professionally” oriented flight simulator, it’s just not at a $50-$100 price point. FSLabs isn’t currently represented in this market to my knowledge (maybe wrong here), but they certainly could be. They have the product for it. No flight training school has P3D with an A320 on it. We have real sims, that we walk inside. That cost millions of dollars. Flight schools have Redbirds that are absolutely terrible and the only thing you use them for is to save $100/hr to build up your simulated instrument time for your instrument rating. Conversely, the seaplane airline I used to work at used MSFS as their in house “sim” because it was the only sim out there that we could actually go to lakes and harbours and have it look anywhere close to real. So yes, MSFS is absolutely used for “training” at some places, even if you can’t log the time. Quote
Sabine Meier Posted December 10 Posted December 10 7 hours ago, Norman Blackburn said: The only sure thing is it wasn’t yesterday. Nice two icons. 1 Quote
Robert Sutherland Posted December 10 Posted December 10 6 hours ago, Ryan Argue said: No flight training school has P3D with an A320 on it. We have real sims, that we walk inside. That cost millions of dollars. Flight schools have Redbirds that are absolutely terrible and the only thing you use them for is to save $100/hr to build up your simulated instrument time for your instrument rating. Conversely, the seaplane airline I used to work at used MSFS as their in house “sim” because it was the only sim out there that we could actually go to lakes and harbours and have it look anywhere close to real. So yes, MSFS is absolutely used for “training” at some places, even if you can’t log the time. Ultimately, a base simulator product (like P3D, MSFS and XPlane) are there to provide the foundations. Developers then use these foundations to build products that replicate aircraft in ever-increasing detail. The argument that P3D is a simulator while MSFS isn't is moot -- ultimately its the aircraft you're using in it that determine what a simulator is. And soon enough we'll see FSL with an excellent Airbus in MSFS, which will be an exciting step in a new direction for them 5 Quote
Chris Kreuzbichler Posted December 10 Posted December 10 A question regarding the plane: Will there be something like shared cockpit? FSL + Shared Cockpit = Dream come true (please don't tell my fianceé I wrote that) Quote
Yuchen Yan Posted December 10 Posted December 10 Just now, Chris Kreuzbichler said: A question regarding the plane: Will there be something like shared cockpit? FSL + Shared Cockpit = Dream come true (please don't tell my fianceé I wrote that) I remember in the first live stream it was mentioned as a question. One of the third-party plugin they tried doesn't work because it freezes after some inputs. But since they mentioned it may come true one day. Can't wait to fly the Concorde with the shared cockpit feature Quote
Fritz_Essono Posted December 10 Posted December 10 I like that new banner. Welcome back in the game guys. Cheers from BOD. 2 Quote
Peter Fabian Posted December 10 Posted December 10 14 hours ago, Norman Blackburn said: The only sure thing is it wasn’t yesterday. Sneaky 1 Quote
Dominik Stahel Posted December 10 Posted December 10 nice, thanks too bad my new CPU (9800X3D) hasn't arrived yet, probably have to wait until early January Quote
Dennis Deus Posted December 10 Posted December 10 Hellyeah ! Happy release !!! Back in the game ! Quote
Laurent Valrhonet Posted December 10 Posted December 10 Hello, Where to download the introduction manual? I love RTFM Thanks Quote
Craig Baillie Posted December 10 Posted December 10 Just now, Laurent Valrhonet said: Hello, Where to download the introduction manual? I love RTFM Thanks Hi, it will be uploaded to the website sometime soon. Quote
Brandon Burkley Posted December 10 Posted December 10 Congrats on the release! Haven't flown any of your products since the Concorde back in FSX. Just purchased the A321, very excited. Happy flying everyone! Quote
Craig Baillie Posted December 10 Posted December 10 6 minutes ago, Laurent Valrhonet said: It's why I ask Once you have installed it you can access the documentation from your desktop (if you enabled that option during the install), the EFB & via \FlightSimLabs\fsl-common\FSLabs\Documentation\A321 in 'My Documents' (*if you've used the default install). Quote
Laurent Valrhonet Posted December 10 Posted December 10 Just now, Craig Baillie said: Once you have installed it you can access the documentation from your desktop (if you enabled that option during the install), the EFB & the \FlightSimLabs\fsl-common\FSLabs\Documentation\A321 in 'My Documents' if you've used the default instasll. Thanks a lot Craig. 1 Quote
AnojSuresh Posted December 10 Posted December 10 Hi FSL Team, Congratulations on the release! While I'm excited about it, I’m encountering a couple of issues that I hope you can help me with: 1. I’m seeing the message "FS Labs Data Not Loaded" on the displays. I’ve ensured that the Control Centre is running while the aircraft is loaded. 2. I had to revoke the Controlled Folder Access to install the software. Now that the installation is complete, should I re-enable this setting? Any assistance from the development team would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! Quote
Mathias Memmler Posted December 10 Posted December 10 It feels good to be back in the FSLabs Airbus in MSFS. I'm really looking forward to a lot of fun flying. Quote
Michele Benedetti Posted December 10 Posted December 10 May I ask, why does the website say "The A321X was the last product developed for P3D"? Concorde was the last one wasn't it? Quote
Robin Locher Posted December 10 Posted December 10 48 minutes ago, ANOJ said: Hi FSL Team, Congratulations on the release! While I'm excited about it, I’m encountering a couple of issues that I hope you can help me with: 1. I’m seeing the message "FS Labs Data Not Loaded" on the displays. I’ve ensured that the Control Centre is running while the aircraft is loaded. 2. I had to revoke the Controlled Folder Access to install the software. Now that the installation is complete, should I re-enable this setting? Any assistance from the development team would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! I have the same problem with first 1. Quote
Sabine Meier Posted December 10 Posted December 10 (edited) Good luck on the further developments of the aircraft. hopefully the a320 is coming as well non neo variant. Now time to look for a pc upgrade to fix this dinosaur of a machine. Edited December 10 by Sabine Meier 3 Quote
Vladyslav Kostiukov Posted December 10 Posted December 10 Thank you FLABS for the best Airbus for the Sim World! I'm waiting for Concorde as well 1 1 Quote
Laurent Valrhonet Posted December 10 Posted December 10 On which discord server can we report bugs Quote
Krystyan Severin Posted December 10 Posted December 10 Great job FSLabs! This will be my first product from you guys so I am excited. 1 Quote
Keith A Holt Posted December 10 Posted December 10 16 hours ago, Ryan Argue said: No flight training school has P3D with an A320 on it. We have real sims, that we walk inside. That cost millions of dollars. Tell that to the folks at Pro-Sim and JeeHell commercial sales. They’ve been in business for a long time with commercial sales. Sure it’s a small business, but so are other simulator add-on companies. Saying “No” training school uses it is rather strong language, the exception to which is trivial to prove. In any case, I was only trying to offer an idea of a tangential business opportunity that might keep P3D support relevant. It may or not be a good idea. It’s not my place to judge, and I frankly don’t care what punters here think about it, because you weren’t the intended audience. Let’s move on, shall we? Quote
Sabine Meier Posted December 10 Posted December 10 3 minutes ago, Keith A Holt said: Tell that to the folks at Pro-Sim and JeeHell commercial sales. They’ve been in business for a long time with commercial sales. Sure it’s a small business, but so are other simulator add-on companies. Saying “No” training school uses it is rather strong language, the exception to which is trivial to prove. Been following CAE on LinkedIn and they have developed their own visual system which does look great but still dated. Quote
Ben Lim Posted December 10 Posted December 10 18 hours ago, Ryan Argue said: No flight training school has P3D with an A320 on it. We have real sims, that we walk inside. That cost millions of dollars. Flight schools have Redbirds that are absolutely terrible and the only thing you use them for is to save $100/hr to build up your simulated instrument time for your instrument rating. Conversely, the seaplane airline I used to work at used MSFS as their in house “sim” because it was the only sim out there that we could actually go to lakes and harbours and have it look anywhere close to real. So yes, MSFS is absolutely used for “training” at some places, even if you can’t log the time. There are a number of simulation centers (training/entertainment) using Jeehell FMGS / ProSimA320 as the avionics coupled with Prepar3D. There are also a few centers using X-Plane and Toliss. FSL license arrangement is different (more of a share agreement) and strange that they only have compatibility with Skalarki. Quote
Trevor Hannant Posted December 10 Posted December 10 Is that moisture droplets coming from the vents in the cargo hold?! Although I do have to say the toilet is a little "exposed"... Quote
Cihat Kara Posted December 10 Posted December 10 53 minutes ago, Yassine Kandara said: And now we wait for the 320 and for the Msfs 2024 Quote
Oliver Burton Posted December 10 Posted December 10 Picked the A321 up as soon as it was available and just want to say fantastic work guys, it was worth the wait! Short of time this evening but completed a quick flight in France and everything went super smoothly. The flight model, ground handling and take-off/landing are superb. The landing was the first time in MSFS I have actually felt like I'm landing a 60+ ton airliner, it really sits into the ground none of that horrible signature msfs floaty skating on ice feeling. Ofc systems, features and "solid" feel of the auto flight is everything we are used to from your p3d buses. Thanks for your all your effort and hard work thats gone in to this! 3 Quote
SwissairMD11 Posted December 10 Posted December 10 25 minutes ago, Cihat Kara said: and for the Msfs 2024 I wonder if we buy it now, that the 2024 will be a free upgrade or a paid one again. Am really thinking about getting it, but MSFS2020 is going slowly move to the background now, so I want to focus on 2024 Quote
Mirza Beg Posted December 10 Posted December 10 Just Bought it yes it will be a free upgrade if u buy it Quote
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