New FSL website and A321 CEO for MSFS

[MIKHAIL KAZAK]

Wen 330

 

[Pablo Prada]

How about wingflex? In P3D wingflex in the A321 does not exist. 

Is it too difficult to correct that in P3D with small update? A320 SL does have real wing flex.

 

thanks 

 

 

 

[Peter Pukhnoy]

I can't help but mention one visual flaw that I saw in a stream that has bugged me since the FSX days. In a cockpit that looks otherwise stunning and on par with the visual fidelity of the sim, the trim wheel animating at 1 FPS looks very out of place.

[Lefteris Kalamaras]

1 minute ago, Peter Pukhnoy said:

I can't help but mention one visual flaw that I saw in a stream that has bugged me since the FSX days. In a cockpit that looks otherwise stunning and on par with the visual fidelity of the sim, the trim wheel animating at 1 FPS looks very out of place.

Actually, the animation of the trim wheel has been overhauled for MSFS - check again when you have it in hand...

[Chris Kreuzbichler]

Release it, please, so we can have it in hand! 

[Miguel de gonzalo]

2 minutes ago, Lefteris Kalamaras said:

Actually, the animation of the trim wheel has been overhauled for MSFS - check again when you have it in hand...

And we are going to have it in our hands in ? ahahah i am refreshing your website almost every hour 

[Bernd Edlinger]

I just want to report an issue with the website that we can not buy the A321, please fix

[Rami Jaafar]

9 hours ago, Navaneeth Gireesh said:

I currently work in cyber security and i purchased the FSlabs product in 2019 not knowing the issues that had occurred in the past. I know this post will get deleted and my account probably banned but from an Information Security standpoint, what was done via the password tracer programme was pure evil against customers. I am extremely surprised that this company still exists, anyway good luck to the folks who hope to purchase this product for MSFS, hopefully your sensitive data doesn't end up on the dark web!

 

Adios

 

 

Isn't it funny that you post this yet you still have purchased the Sharklets which released way after that whole thing? Let it go now. If you don't want it then just move on don't need to write essay which adds nothing.

[Scott Harmes]

1 hour ago, Bernd Edlinger said:

I just want to report an issue with the website that we can not buy the A321, please fix

Yes, I'm seeing the same issue.    Meanwhile I guess I'll (mostly) stick to P3D like I have for the past 6 months.

[Mirza Beg]

I'm also in cybersecurity. Certied and more. I own FSLabs and have no issue if they know my logins. I'm not  worried. I know that's false etc.. and the past but just saying.. people care too much about the past 

Now big corporations i do worry lol. just trust me on that

[Lazo Lluka]

Everyone blowing a gasket about some software installed in the plane to check log ins but they give up their internal data to Meta, Google, IG and others with no problems

 

[Brett Cummings]

5 hours ago, Lazo Lluka said:

Everyone blowing a gasket about some software installed in the plane to check log ins but they give up their internal data to Meta, Google, IG and others with no problems

 

I'm not really on either side, but there's a significant difference between agreeing to terms and conditions to willingly give up information, versus allegedly having hidden software to extract information.

[Mirza Beg]

19 minutes ago, Brett Cummings said:

I'm not really on either side, but there's a significant difference between agreeing to terms and conditions to willingly give up information, versus allegedly having hidden software to extract information.

fslabs has terms and conditions too lol.
What meta, aka ig aka facebook do is evil though. oh and google especially.

When is concorde coming to 2020 btw?

[Michele Benedetti]

6 hours ago, Mirza Beg said:

fslabs has terms and conditions too lol.
What meta, aka ig aka facebook do is evil though. oh and google especially.

When is concorde coming to 2020 btw?

That’s the real question  unfortunately I don’t think it’ll be any soon based on what has been said in these days

[Miguel de gonzalo]

PMDG just realeased another aircraft... come guys you have to realease it now or im gonna run out of money  

[peter kelberg]

don't  hold  your  breath  for  too long

[Matej Stavanja]

6 hours ago, Miguel de gonzalo said:

PMDG just realeased another aircraft... come guys you have to realease it now or im gonna run out of money  

Next year I guess.

[Robin Locher]

Normaly they Released it a few days After Streaming…

[Sabine Meier]

I will like do a support buy of the range so that development can go on. 

[peter kelberg]

20 hours ago, Robin Locher said:

Normaly they Released it a few days After Streaming…

few  days is  turning into  a  few  weeks  now 

[Bjoern Grimm]

Come on guys...

[Constantin Gruber]

I fear they now miss the "initial" hype after the youtube trailers and streams they generated.

let's see how the ceo will now sell in the beginning of 2025 very soon (tm) ;-)

[Miguel de gonzalo]

Hey FSLABS team , what is the stage of the aircraft right now ? i guess as it is a pre realeased this is not a beta anymore right ? all of the videos ive seen of your aircraft in 2020 by streaming everything seemed very good and no one caugh any bugs neither the pilot black box. Is it at a very very last stage and you are just fixing some little bugs ? or it still a lon way and may come in 2025 ? 

Thanks

[Sabine Meier]

The tech log and Mel . Innovation as always

[Bernd Edlinger]

Just bought some new F5 keys for mey keyboard. The old one gets destroyed already by refreshing the Website all the time

[Ryan Argue]

2 hours ago, Sabine Meier said:

The tech log and Mel . Innovation as always

Maddog has done it for years….

[Dennis Deus]

*Is desperate so he starts singing*

Every night in my dreams, i see you (purchase button) i feeeel you (a321 ceo)

neeeaaarrr and not faaarrr- soooon there you arree

and I knoww that my flight sim heart beaaatt oooonn.

Myyy heeaart and throttle will moovvee oooaannoooaoaooaooaoonn.

And I hear a whisper from the dark outside "FS Labs Cmon!"

 

[Anirbinna Roy]

3 hours ago, Dennis Schmidt said:

*Is desperate so he starts singing*
Every night in my dreams, i see you (purchase button) i feeeel you (a321 ceo)
neeeaaarrr and not faaarrr- soooon there you arree
and I knoww that my flight sim heart beaaatt oooonn.
Myyy heeaart and throttle will moovvee oooaannoooaoaooaooaoonn.
And I hear a whisper from the dark outside "FS Labs Cmon!"
 

Lol XD


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3 hours ago, Dennis Schmidt said:

*Is desperate so he starts singing*
Every night in my dreams, i see you (purchase button) i feeeel you (a321 ceo)
neeeaaarrr and not faaarrr- soooon there you arree
and I knoww that my flight sim heart beaaatt oooonn.
Myyy heeaart and throttle will moovvee oooaannoooaoaooaooaoonn.
And I hear a whisper from the dark outside "FS Labs Cmon!"
 

@Norman Blackburn @Andrew Wilson @Lefteris Kalamaras look what you’ll have done


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[Graham Collins]

On 11/12/2024 at 5:09 AM, Simon Marsden said:

Hope you don't totally abandon P3D .Desperate for a NEO 320 series

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As I read it, support for the last set of P3D aircraft will continue but no further development or releases in P3D are planned.  The vast majority of the market has moved to MSFS - this is plain to see from even a casual glance at the flightsim world.

[David Norfolk]

Them developing for P3D nowadays would literally be a waste of time & resources. Although there's people who still use it, it's probably not even that many anymore. 

[Giuseppe Nelva]

9 hours ago, Graham Collins said:

As I read it, support for the last set of P3D aircraft will continue but no further development or releases in P3D are planned.  The vast majority of the market has moved to MSFS - this is plain to see from even a casual glance at the flightsim world.

Just for reference, there are 2052 flights active on Volanta right now. 61 of these are on P3D. 

[stephen speak]

I don’t suppose anyone has thought of doing a poll to find out who uses what sim..so everyone has a better idea who’s using what

[David Arthur]

5 minutes ago, stephen speak said:

I don’t suppose anyone has thought of doing a poll to find out who uses what sim..so everyone has a better idea who’s using what

There’s the Navigraph survey to check out….

[Giuseppe Nelva]

20 minutes ago, stephen speak said:

I don’t suppose anyone has thought of doing a poll to find out who uses what sim..so everyone has a better idea who’s using what

I literally just provided you with numbers across a statistically relevant pool of users. 

There's also Navigraph's latest survey.

https://navigraph.com/blog/survey-2023

Ultimately, the best "poll" you have is looking at developers like FlightSimLabs, PMDG, etc., abandoning P3D. 

They abandon P3D because they *know* the sales of their products for P3D and they know that they are abysmal. 

FlightSimLabs doesn't need a poll to know that P3D is commercially dead. All they have to do is to pull up their own sales numbers.

That is exactly what they did and made an informed decision. There really isn't anything else to discuss on the topic. 

Developers stop supporting P3D because they're a business. No amount of demands for evidence or misguided "we supported you! You owe us!" (no they don't) guilt-tripping will change the fact that a business needs to put food on the table for its workers. 

They don't drop P3D because they're unfair or evil. They drop P3D because P3D is commercially defunct and can't sustain their business.

[Keith A Holt]

Not disagreeing with you, but I wonder if there is in fact still a real business to be made supporting P3D.  I imagine most remaining P3D customers at this point are commercial users.  In particular, flight training schools.  Also hobbyists with expensive hardware cockpits like me.  These users would be willing to pay a far higher price (e.g., compare to Pro-Sim) than an MSFS product will command.  So much smaller volume, yes.  But if a user is willing to pay many thousands of dollars plus thousands more on annual maintenance fee like they do for Pro-Sim or the commercial version of JeeHell FMGS, that makes up for a lot of loss in volume.

MSFS will never be suitable for this market.  It fundamentally can’t be FAA certified, and it’s problematic in many other ways as well.  There is a market for a “professionally” oriented flight simulator, it’s just not at a $50-$100 price point.  FSLabs isn’t currently represented in this market to my knowledge (maybe wrong here), but they certainly could be.  They have the product for it.

[Giuseppe Nelva]

21 minutes ago, Keith A Holt said:

Not disagreeing with you, but I wonder if there is in fact still a real business to be made supporting P3D.  I imagine most remaining P3D customers at this point are commercial users.  In particular, flight training schools.  Also hobbyists with expensive hardware cockpits like me.  These users would be willing to pay a far higher price (e.g., compare to Pro-Sim) than an MSFS product will command.  So much smaller volume, yes.  But if a user is willing to pay many thousands of dollars plus thousands more on annual maintenance fee like they do for Pro-Sim or the commercial version of JeeHell FMGS, that makes up for a lot of loss in volume.

MSFS will never be suitable for this market.  It fundamentally can’t be FAA certified, and it’s problematic in many other ways as well.  There is a market for a “professionally” oriented flight simulator, it’s just not at a $50-$100 price point.  FSLabs isn’t currently represented in this market to my knowledge (maybe wrong here), but they certainly could be.  They have the product for it.

1: creating product to be sold at a much higher price for an extremely niche market multiplies the business risk exponentially.

2: The second point is inaccurate. Microsoft mentioned pretty clearly that they could get MSFS FAA certified a while ago. They simply aren't bothering because they'd rather serve their real customers first.

3: I'm fairly confident FSLabs and pretty literally ALL the other developers that count anything in this space have made their calculations and considered their options. They don't need "suggestions" to somehow save P3D. P3D doesn't need to be saved. It needs to be forgotten.

At this point, it's literally just obsolete baggage, and the only ones who seem incapable of realizing it are the few remaining P3D users. 

It isn't any third-party developer's responsibility to save P3D. Lockheed Martin is the only entity that bears that responsibility and they have been unwilling or incapable of doing so. 

To anyone who doesn't understand this point, I suggest taking a good, hard look at P3D V6's trailer.

Tell me how can a company be so completely out of touch that they'd release a trailer like this and actually believe it has promotional value in 2023 instead of being a source of shame? 

The smallest indie developers can cook up something better.

[Patrick Claussnitzer]

40 minutes ago, Giuseppe Nelva said:

1: creating product to be sold at a much higher price for an extremely niche market multiplies the business risk exponentially.

2: The second point is inaccurate. Microsoft mentioned pretty clearly that they could get MSFS FAA certified a while ago. They simply aren't bothering because they'd rather serve their real customers first.

3: I'm fairly confident FSLabs and pretty literally ALL the other developers that count anything in this space have made their calculations and considered their options. They don't need "suggestions" to somehow save P3D. P3D doesn't need to be saved. It needs to be forgotten.

At this point, it's literally just obsolete baggage, and the only ones who seem incapable of realizing it are the few remaining P3D users. 

It isn't any third-party developer's responsibility to save P3D. Lockheed Martin is the only entity that bears that responsibility and they have been unwilling or incapable of doing so. 

To anyone who doesn't understand this point, I suggest taking a good, hard look at P3D V6's trailer.

Tell me how can a company be so completely out of touch that they'd release a trailer like this and actually believe it has promotional value in 2023 instead of being a source of shame? 

The smallest indie developers can cook up something better.

I guess you have no clue of what LM is aiming for do you? This sim never has been and never will be an entertainment product in the way we usually treat it. It is training plattform and people with aviation background know the difference between MSFS like sims/games and training plattforms/aids. There is complete different purpose to it with completely different ways of interaction and moddibility with that regard. 

Maybe, before ranting about trailers of a product of whichs purpose and target group you know very little about, try to research a bit. 

[Graham Collins]

3 hours ago, Giuseppe Nelva said:

Just for reference, there are 2052 flights active on Volanta right now. 61 of these are on P3D. 

Or expressed another way, a mighty 3% !

[Lazo Lluka]

I love P3D and I bought about $100 of addons on simmarket for Black Friday. The sim is DOA for devs and will never go back to being what it was. I will use 3 sims and enjoy them. Now release the damn FSLabs A321...

[San Lin]

What ever you said,they would not release the All New A321 on P3D,thats enough.Meaningless arguments.

You are not the owner or shareholder of FSL.They need to make money,not only make you feel happy.

[Alex Pugh]

Guys, let's please get this thread back on topic: incessantly asking when the 321 will be released. 

[Mirza Beg]

when is this releasing? 

[Norman Blackburn]

18 minutes ago, Mirza Beg said:

when is this releasing? 

The only sure thing is it wasn’t yesterday. 

[Mirza Beg]

1 minute ago, Norman Blackburn said:

The only sure thing is it wasn’t yesterday. 

I don't understand?

[Dennis Deus]

51 minutes ago, Mirza Beg said:

I don't understand?

It might be today, tomorrow or when it is ready...