Found this when starting the FSLabs Control Center...

[Andrew Wilson]

I did go for a 3090Ti - I found one for a very good price so it was hard to resist! It's paired with a new i9-12900k and is doing a very good job so far. My choice in CPU was primarily based for coding - it significantly reduces our build times. To be honest - as we're so busy with the VC - I've not really had a chance to fly on either platform yet - but the performance is very good; especially coming from an i7-7700k/1080Ti.

9 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I’m surprised P3D is more difficult to work with given you have already produced a 32-bit version.

It's not more difficult - it just takes a lot longer because the processes are more convoluted. We were only able to re-use some of the core aircraft system logic from Concorde-X (elecs/hydraulics/fuel) - everything else has been built from scratch.

[Ray Proudfoot]

If you can afford a 3090Ti they’re paying you too much!   Spend It before the fuel bills arrive eh?

[Andrew Wilson]

3 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

If you can afford a 3090Ti they’re paying you too much!   Spend It before the fuel bills arrive eh?

Ha - like I said, I found it for a very good price and got it shipped from the U.S.
Yep - I can now keep the central heating off - the 3090Ti should heat our house just fine this winter! 

[Rob Ainscough]

50 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Is the clock speed of core 0 still the most critical aspect

There will always be one core that does more than any other core for any flight simulator that needs to synchronize to timed real world physics ... so the main synchronization thread will always be the most heavily loaded so whatever core you decide to place that work load on via P3D.cfg will need to be the best core ... AMD identifies the best cores via Ryzen Master, not sure Intel does that any more with their more recent cores and e cores?

55 minutes ago, Andrew Wilson said:

The new virtual cockpit is still in development - we are making good progress, but it's just taking a lot longer than any of us anticipated

I'm surprised you're spending so much time on VR, in it's best state it only registers as 3% of Steam user base ... that's even more niche than P3D   ... would have thought VR implementation would have been a post release update (regardless of platform).

Cheers, Rob.

[Andrew Wilson]

9 minutes ago, Rob Ainscough said:

I'm surprised you're spending so much time on VR

Hello Rob!

I didn't mention VR... 

[Ray Proudfoot]

5 minutes ago, Rob Ainscough said:

AMD identifies the best cores via Ryzen Master, not sure Intel does that any more with their more recent cores and e cores?

Not sure about the situation with modern CPUs. I’m sure someone will know the answer. I downloaded Asus Suite to overclock my CPU. I assume the same utility will do the same for AMD.

Are you confusing a virtual cockpit with VR? The VC will include the Flight Engineer’s panel which is highly complex. I’m guessing that’s what’s taking the time.

No cheating by assigning those duties to the Virtual FE Rob.  I expect you to master everything.  

[Michele Benedetti]

2 hours ago, Andrew Wilson said:

The new virtual cockpit is still in development - we are making good progress, but it's just taking a lot longer than any of us anticipated - mainly due to the proliferation of instruments and switches and the convoluted methods we have to follow in P3D to get these working (MSFS is FAR easier to work with in that respect). Something in the region of thirty man hours a day, six days a week - and we've been working at this pace now for four months on the virtual cockpit alone. 

Whilst I can't offer any indication of time scales - I can say that we are determined to see this work completed soon - and we'll then share some previews.

Incidentally Ray - I've recently upgraded my system (mainly for MSFS). I think it's a good time to pick up a 3 series card - nVidia are rumoured to be dropping the price further in the coming weeks - probably to shift stock before their 4 series drops. 

Goodness me! That is an enormous amount of work hours. The result will surely be impressive, as it always is with FsLabs. And if it doesn't come this year, who cares?! The important thing is that it comes out in good shape

[Danny Moore]

2 hours ago, Andrew Wilson said:

Something in the region of thirty man hours a day, six days a week - and we've been working at this pace now for four months on the virtual cockpit alone. 

Wow, that a lot of work going into just the VC. I hope the Concorde works out in the end for you guys. I know the Airbus series does well and I see Concorde more of a niche aircraft. Looking forward to seeing videos of it once it’s released. 

[Rob Ainscough]

2 hours ago, Andrew Wilson said:

I didn't mention VR

Oops, sorry read the virtual and ignored the cockpit ... I was wondering why VR would require considerable work.  My apologies.

2 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I expect you to master everything

Like I said, I watched the Dr. Who episode "time flight" so I should be an Concorde expert!!  

2 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I downloaded Asus Suite to overclock my CPU.

Not with AMD, I would stick with Ryzen Master and use AI Suite for just simple fan management for those old school "fan boys" using fans hehe ... now if you want me to make you a silent chiller and run sub-ambient in a plug and forget situation, then PM me (I've been trying to sell my silent chiller to Pete, he would benefit a lot from it).  My Silent Chiller has been flawless going on 8 months now and I've not touched it, just keep it buried away in my closest and enjoy super cooled chill flight simulation with virtually no noise (shameless plug) ... and it makes for a great house heater and you can even run exhaust heat out to a room or rooms of your choice ... perfect for a Cat or Dog or even human on those cold gasless EU/UK nights.   

Cheers, Rob .

 

[Ray Proudfoot]

Rob, thanks for the offer of a chiller. I suspect it would be overkill in the room where my PC is located. It faces WNW so will be losing the sun in the next few weeks and standard water-cooling has always been sufficient.

Now if I lived in warmer climes it might be useful but not in Cheshire.

Regarding the AMD I’ll keep an eye on Chillblast and the arrival of the new CPUs. Depending on when Concorde 64-bit becomes available I may delay the sale of my existing machine. Having to install P3Dv3, Concorde and CPS-X is too much hard work for a comparative short time.

[Markus Burkhard]

On 8/30/2022 at 9:41 PM, Ray Proudfoot said:

Not sure about the situation with modern CPUs. I’m sure someone will know the answer. I downloaded Asus Suite to overclock my CPU. I assume the same utility will do the same for AMD.

Lucky for you, and indeed all of us, manual overclocking of the CPU is no longer necessary. Today's mainboards do have all the necessary auto overclocking capabilities built in and you'd only need to switch a few settings if you wanted higher clocks. It is done so that those people that have adequate cooling (something the mainboard cannot sense automatically) can tell the BIOS that they want higher clocks at the expense of higher power requirements (and heat).

It's extremely easy really. All you need to do, when you say you'll order at Chillblast, is to get good liquid cooling. If you do, then you'll have all the temperature headroom you'll ever need to go a bit higher than stock speeds, with cosy auto settings at your disposal.

As Rob has said, if you can, wait for them to offer the 7000 series AMD CPUs coming in September. With energy prices going up in Europe, you will see the difference if you buy Ryzen 7000 instead of Intel 12000 series.

[Ray Proudfoot]

11 hours ago, Markus Burkhard said:

Lucky for you, and indeed all of us, manual overclocking of the CPU is no longer necessary. Today's mainboards do have all the necessary auto overclocking capabilities built in and you'd only need to switch a few settings if you wanted higher clocks.

There would appear to be a separate utility for getting the best out of the CPU. Asus provide one for their motherboards but with Rob recommending a different one for the AMD CPU it’s confusing. Do you use the motherboard utility or the CPU one?

All Chillblast computers have extra cooling options and I’ve always gone with liquid cooling. Living in a temperate climate there’s no need for the more extreme options.

For the first time in ages it appears AMD may have the edge over Intel. I’ll be monitoring the Chillblast site closely.

As to when to buy I’m happy to wait for the new AMDs but once they’re available it would be ideal if Concorde was available to save all the hassle of installing everything associated with the 32-bit variant.

[Ray Proudfoot]

Rather than take this topic away from its title I’ve started a new topic following the announcement about AMD’s new processors.

https://forums.flightsimlabs.com/index.php?/topic/32288-amd-announce-new-processors/

 

[Ray Proudfoot]

@Andrew Wilson, I’m sorry to bring this up again but I’m struggling to understand why it’s taking so long to get Concorde developed. Last year Lefteris announced a release possibly in 2021 but later revised that to 2022.

Then around May it was announced it would be going into beta around the end of June. It has still to go to beta testing and we’re now in September and you indicated a couple of weeks ago there is still a lot of work to complete.

I’m really struggling to understand why release dates keep being pushed back and as things stand we still have no idea when it’s going to become available despite your assertion that it is being worked on 6 days a week by several developers.

Please shed some light on this please. And once again, why can’t a few screenshots be released? That would take less than two minutes.

[Andrew Wilson]

Thank you for your message, Ray. 

When we have some more news on our new Concorde title - we will share it here. 

[Ray Proudfoot]

Andrew, looking back on this discussion and what you said in an earlier reply I have a horrible feeling you are prioritising the MSFS version over the P3D one.

It would explain why the beta testing has been delayed and a projected delivery date is no closer now than months ago. You said in an earlier post it was so much easier developing for MSFS than P3D. How would you know that unless you were working with MSFS?

I could understand FSL’s reasons for doing this as the income generated would be much greater than for P3D sales. But if true that’s very disappointing for P3D users. Are you developing Concorde for MSFS now?

[Michele Benedetti]

Ray, they said multiple times that, regarding Concorde, the P3D version would be done and released first, and afterwards they would start advertising the MSFS version. And they also stated that teams working on MSFS do not take away resources from teams working on P3D. I think we just need to be patient and wait for it, when it arrives it will be exceptional

[Ray Proudfoot]

@Michele Benedetti, I’m well aware of what has been said. It just doesn’t match up with previous statements. Why would you announce that beta testing was expected to start in 6-8 weeks but over two months later it still hasn’t started? And no reason given why it’s delayed.

Patience? I’ve had loads of it but the situation is now becoming beyond ridiculous. I’m fed up with “We’ll make an announcement when we have something to say”. That could be a copy and paste from two years ago.

[Lefteris Kalamaras]

Ray,

I am sorry you are fed up. It is honestly not our intention to cause this. If you feel the situation is becoming beyond ridiculous, I invite you to go outside while the weather is still nice and focus on something else instead, because it seems that your frustration is causing you heartache.

Our position on our development roadmap stands however, so when we have something new to say, you'll hear it along with everyone else. Until then, I've locked this thread as it's chasing its tail.