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Will the FSLabs A320 be released for the new Flight Simulator 2020 ?


Malte Dietsch

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Malte Dietsch

Hi,

will the FSLabs A320 be released for the new Flight Simulator 2020 as well?

The FSLabs A320 is the best plane I have ever flown. The immersion is so good that there is nothing left to be desired.

So if there was a version for FS2020 with its great scenery, this would be a dream come true.

Thanks for an info if this is planned.

Regards

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Predrag Danicic

Personally, I would never switch to MSFS at the state in which it is right now. Currently it is just a game with really good looking environment and possibly a good base for further development IF physics is improved and SDK way way way better.

I know that most developers rushed over to MSFS just in order to get some sort of a market share, but I really do not expect to see any study level aircraft such as FSLabs in MSFS soon. If ever.

Just my 50 cents.

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Matthew Webb

I'm really enjoying the new sim.   Took a flight from Brisbane up to Fraser Island last night and loved every minute.  

Personally (ie only my opinion )I don't agree with those who don't call it a sim.   I don't pee in a bottle if I need to go while on a single pilot flight, so you make it what you can. 

Flying circuits, keeping an eye out for passible landing sites in case of engine failure, all stuff people can do if they want that level of simulation.   The default a/c are way ahead the default a/c in other sims (though Aerofly FS2 is up there).   With the mods, they are very good.

But I agree - I can't wait for the big guns in the a/c industry (especially FSLabs) to do their magic.

 

Cheers.

 

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Malte Dietsch

Uhm...I really thought this is not even a question if there should be professional FSLabs 320 for MSFS 2020. The scenery of the whole world combined with a professional Airbus is certainly many simmers have been dreaming of!

I thought that MSFS has better physics than FSX? At least the developers said that the physics simulation is much more complex now. So wouldn't that be good for the FSLabs 320?

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Gabriel Mitard

Well MSFS is a game with all the problem that comes from a more ''arcade'' platform, (+ it's young and not complete) they need to get a better SDK to allow developers to be fully free to add anything they need to make addons work as they do on our actual simulator, well sorry for calling it a ''simulator'' not really from a legal point of view of EASA as P3D and XPL are games too in fact (see: CS-FSTD(A) - Issue 2 published as Decision 2018/006/R on 03 May 2018 CS-FSTD(H) published as Decision 2012/011/R on 4 July 2012). But few entities like the French Army which uses DCS and tends to call it ''serious gaming''.

So what I mean is that we need a better SDK to be able to make this MSFS a ''serious gaming'' one and I think we can wait for years and years. PMDG gives us at least a year from the last news on this December 2020 for releasing the 737. So the transition to our actual game standard can be very long.

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Koen Meier
9 minutes ago, Gabriel Mitard said:

''serious gaming''

A term used by a lot of companies these days when they want to simulate procedures or other things.

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Gabriel Mitard
4 minutes ago, Koen Meier said:

A term used by a lot of companies these days when they want to simulate procedures or other things.

I had no other example, so thanks for confirming what I said about this term sir.

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Predrag Danicic
13 hours ago, Matthew Webb said:

But I agree - I can't wait for the big guns in the a/c industry (especially FSLabs) to do their magic.

Somehow, I really am not sure we will see FSLabs in MSFS soon. Which is perfectly understandable having in mind since we all know the condition MSFS is in.

13 hours ago, Matthew Webb said:

I'm really enjoying the new sim.   Took a flight from Brisbane up to Fraser Island last night and loved every minute.  

Personally (ie only my opinion )I don't agree with those who don't call it a sim.   I don't pee in a bottle if I need to go while on a single pilot flight, so you make it what you can. 

I do agree each is entitled to a personal opinion. If you found yourself a nice thing to do within MSFS it is great really. However, if you like to do a single pilot flight, why waiting for FSLabs then? :-)

If (and only if) ASOBO gets physics correctly, and makes good SDK so that we start seeing serious developers developing for MSFS, I guess study level simmers will slowly start transitioning.

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Matthew Webb

Hey - don't want to start an argument, but I enjoy both single pilot flights and the big jets (FSLabs), they are not mutually exclusive.    This is why I haven't got rid of Prepar3d yet.   

I'm sure there's a lot of activity in the background.   The physics and SDK doesn't need to be complete for companies and enthusiasts to get started on porting aircraft over.   Just look at some of the mods and CRJ being developed.   

Cheers.

 

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Malte Dietsch

Releasing an SDK for MSFS can't be that hard. Functions are all there they just have to provide the API. Ok that's work too, but nothing compared to the total workload of MSFS. And I am sure that they really want 3rd party publishers so that MSFS can become a full ecosystem of aircraft and other add-ons. Because the availability of an ecosystem will boost sales of MSFS in the end.

I mean is it just me who wants to fly professional aircraft in this beautiful scenery?

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Malte Dietsch

By the way, I bought MSFS now and the installation finished after 19 hours downloading and decompressing. Oh my god.

But I have to say that this is definetly not a game. The flight dynamics simulation in the Cessna feels so real (I am not a pilot but I once was a Cessna passenger). The sound is done so well. The scenery of my hometown Hamburg: excellent. Many major buildings are there. Weather looks awesome. Framerate is good even on my GTX1060. Bad thing: they changed many keyboard shortcurts I have used for 30 years since FS4. And some minor annoyances like bad slew mode etc.

One more thing: There already is a professional A320neo add-on which builds upon the default A320neo of MSFS. As far as I've seen it is quite good with many systems, FMC etc. But not as good as the FSLabs 320. So, this would be a chance to become the first "really" professional A320 for MSFS :-)

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peter kelberg
6 hours ago, Malte Dietsch said:

Bad thing: they changed many keyboard shortcurts I have used for 30 years since FS4. And some minor annoyances like bad slew mode etc.

Good  thing  is  that  you  can  change  the  key assignments

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ALESSANDRO ANILE

Since I have been using MSFS 2020 looking at the real satellite scenery, I have not been able to return to Prepar3d anymore, I am no longer able to look at its scenery.

 

       Alessandro

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Robert Sutherland

I guess you just have to weight up what's important. Pretty scenery or accurate aircraft? 

If it's scenery, then MSFS is a great choice. If it's accurate aircraft, then it isn't yet. And it won't be for some time. 

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ALESSANDRO ANILE

I know, in fact, at the moment I'm content with the available planes, flying with MSFS 2020 is wonderful, I can't give up.

 

   Alessandro

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John James

Just my thoughts ....

I don't agree with those nay sayers who just seem to want to trash the new Sim!   Having been in Flight Simulation from way back with SubLogic FSII from Bruce Artwick, I can see where we have come from and where we are heading - and it is extremely exciting!

Whatever you think about flight dynamics and realism, Asobo really have done a heck of a job with this new Sim and visually it looks wonderful!   For me, as much as I like to fly the big tin with all the procedures involved and online with VATSIM, I also enjoy looking out of the window!   And in MSFS2020 the view is simply stunning!   It think it's great and has huge potential - and it is certainly NOT a game because I can simulate pretty much everything I would do in the Cessna, right down to being bumped by turbulence crossing the Mountains!  Currently, a friend of mine and I have been flying a Grand Tour from Bournemouth in UK down to Grand Canaria in the Canary Islands, using the Cessna C172, linked up in Group Flight - and it's been amazing!   Currently sitting at Agidir, waiting for the next leg ....

But I do agree with those who talk about the state of the new Sim regarding the marvellous big jets we all love and enjoy.   We need Asobo to get their fingers out and start working on a decent SDK to allow the specialists among us to get going with some real trans-world aircraft.   To fly the A320 and A321 from FSLabs in the new Sim would be a dream come true!   But whilst Asobo show remarkable committment by updating their product so regualry at the moment, this also has the downside of affecting any new addition to the Sim by third party developers.   Case in point, the A320NEO FlyByWire team keep having to patch their work pretty much after each update just to stop the aircraft from rolling over ....!

As for timescale?   Well this depends on Asobo and the required SDK and also the required co-operation needed for the addons we all want, to happen.   I DO look forward to flying the FSLabs products in MSFS2020, as well as the others.   And, like others, I want to see Helicopters, now that we have scenery that is almost true VFR quality and high detail.   Yes, like many here, I want the FSLabs A320 yesterday!!  But I am realistic about it all.   But I believe it will happen ....

For now, I really enjoy Prepar3D and I am into my third flight in the newly purchased A321.  What a jet!  And this from a 747 pilot!!   Seriously thinking about buying the A319 now :-)  But I can really say that I enjoy the Cessna C172 in MSFS2020 - it's stunning!    As well as my big tin in P3D.

The future looks bright!   And we must be patient.   There are some amazingly talented people here in FSLabs as well as other major and smaller developers - and as we have seen many times in previous Flight Simulation versions, they come out of the woodwork and bring out the FULL potential of our favourite hobby.   Just give it time.

But it is really up to Asobo and MS to get their act together and move forward so that decent and better third party content, such as we want here, can be developed and brought to what is a visually stunning simulation.

Just my two cents ...

Happy New Year everyone 

Regards,

 

Lee

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Kristian Berg
On 12/26/2020 at 8:33 AM, Matthew Webb said:

I'm really enjoying the new sim.   Took a flight from Brisbane up to Fraser Island last night and loved every minute.  

Personally (ie only my opinion )I don't agree with those who don't call it a sim.   I don't pee in a bottle if I need to go while on a single pilot flight, so you make it what you can. 

Flying circuits, keeping an eye out for passible landing sites in case of engine failure, all stuff people can do if they want that level of simulation.   The default a/c are way ahead the default a/c in other sims (though Aerofly FS2 is up there).   With the mods, they are very good.

But I agree - I can't wait for the big guns in the a/c industry (especially FSLabs) to do their magic.

 

Cheers.

 

But there is a big chance that someone else will come in and steal the market before if they dont claim it themself :huh:

MSFS is the newnew... just like P3D was vs FSX (but some ppl cant deal with it) :rolleyes::lol:

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Koen Meier
10 minutes ago, Kristian Berg said:

But there is a big chance that someone else will come in and steal the market before if they dont claim it themself :huh:

MSFS is the newnew... just like P3D was vs FSX (but some ppl cant deal with it) :rolleyes::lol:

Have a look at the p3d and even fsx a320 market. Before fslabs only one provider was there. This provider had essentially a monopoly but now we have two providers. And what happened people switched. With sceneries this is somewhat different but other factors apply as well such as user preference towards the developers.

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ALESSANDRO ANILE

I think, with MSFS 2020, a whole new generation has opened up in flight simulation.

Alessandro


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Raphael_Chacon

Interesting topic.    Why dont they get all major devs and create kind of "Comunity of the Ring/SDK" and get things to a working point? I bet they are working on it, i just had to add another complaint to follow the thread! hahaha....

MSFS is stuning!   But P3D is still the study platform for me, feels more like real life, and for IFR study is way more accurate working with some addons, so....  Lets get some beers and enjoy the process... 

Flying for real, flying for fun..... Just, keep flying and stay current on your Airbus! B)  

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Joshua Walden

According to other developers, Asobo has committed to FS2020 for the next ten years. They are also a pleasure to work with, communicate, and respond to feedback in a polite and professional manner.  I suspect that means making things easier for developers to create 3rd party content, and I fully believe they will standby that commitment. As many have said, there is a lot to be desired physics and dynamics wise, but I have a feeling that when the boundary is broken with physics and a level that is acceptable to simmers (I read them the riot act in their customer survey-told them to make a game mode for Xbox users, but leave the complexity for PC gamers and that market of the hardcore type people), that FS2020 will reign supreme in many different ways. 

2020 is the future, just wondering how long its going to take to get there. 

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Koen Meier

Ultimately Microsoft decides as they are the product owners even if the studio wants to commit.

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Stuart Lunn

Hello

I really would urge FS Labs to start positioning the A320 for development on MSFS 2020. There is a very simple reason. In June and July 2021 15 million new users will be introduced into Flight Simming via the XBox. Before anyone starts laughing a considerable % of those Xboxers including myself would pay premium price for the FS Labs 320 on to the Xbox platform via MSFS if it retained current fidelity. Companies who are first to market with high end quality products usually retain and increase market share. if FS 320 was introduced contemporaneously with the introduction of MSFS on to Xbox it would retain that market penetration. I would be happy to pay up to £200 for it FS320 just the plane on that platform. At the moment I am looking to purchase P3d in order get hold of FS labs A320. I still run MSFS and agree with comments  from John James above and Allesandro

 

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Koen Meier

Can you hook up a keyboard, mouse, joy stick, throttle and rudder pedals on a Xbox? Also you might not understand it but the fslabs runs virtually outside the sim and injects everything in which is probably not allowed by Microsoft with the new sim.

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Robert Sutherland
7 minutes ago, Stuart Lunn said:

Hello

I really would urge FS Labs to start positioning the A320 for development on MSFS 2020. There is a very simple reason. In June and July 2021 15 million new users will be introduced into Flight Simming via the XBox. Before anyone starts laughing a considerable % of those Xboxers including myself would pay premium price for the FS Labs 320 on to the Xbox platform via MSFS if it retained current fidelity. Companies who are first to market with high end quality products usually retain and increase market share. if FS 320 was introduced contemporaneously with the introduction of MSFS on to Xbox it would retain that market penetration. I would be happy to pay up to £200 for it FS320 just the plane on that platform. At the moment I am looking to purchase P3d in order get hold of FS labs A320. I still run MSFS and agree with comments  from John James above and Allesandro

 

It's not even clear whether software developers like FSLabs or PMDG will be able to produce their products for an Xbox compatible MSFS; this appears to be one of the roadblocks to development for the PC variant as Microsoft will likely want the PC and Xbox versions to provide the same (or very similar) experiences.

This means that, for those addon developers to support it, they would need to recode all their products to fit within the parameters of the current SDK. That's thousands upon thousands of lines of code. It would be a huge undertaking. 

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Stuart Lunn

Yes I agree with you in regards to the size of the undertaking but  code redevelopments can be done off-shore if the commercial potential and numbers stack up for a developer. 

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Jan Siebert

How about the FSL crew are already taking long and close looks at the MSFS SDK trying to find ways to get their code running on the platform without having to sacrificing too much features and having to rewrite major parts of their code, but chose not to commit to the new platform before they have things running to a certain level?

I'm obviously just guessing here, but look at those devs that commited to the new platform long before the first iterations of the SDK dropped and how that played out for them. Vocal minorities of the community up in arms over perceived missed deadlines, frustration over restrictive SDKs and stuff, ... I know I would keep tight-lipped over anything I'm cooking up until it's clear I can make a meal from it.

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Philipp Schwaegerl
On 1/8/2021 at 12:14 PM, Koen Meier said:

Can you hook up a keyboard, mouse, joy stick, throttle and rudder pedals on a Xbox?

Yes you can

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Alex Maidment

I cannot wait for the OG bus in MSFS, its an amazing platform which needs a good ironing out but some pictures I have almost look real, the combination of study sim and the piece of art MSFS is will be a highlight of simming in the years to come 

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Philipp Quos

Well I just recently bought MSFS 2020 and I have to say: I'm hooked!

Would love FSLabs Airbus in this one, but in the meantime the A320NX mod is as well quite good. Sure it isn't a study aircraft type but at least from my point of view, it get's the job done and is level with other A320 add-ons (AS) for P3D but it's freeware.

I tried a flight after MSFS 2020 in P3D and I have to say, P3D looks like a comic compared to MSFS. I hope one day the main FS developers will make the move to FS2020. But I think, if at all, will take until at least summer 2022

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Not knowing the future, I read that PMDG was very enthousiastic about FS2020. Although they warned it took some time before FS2020 is ready for a FSlabs or PMDG standard. But it makes me hopeful it will happen.

 

 

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Norman Blackburn

@Eleuth

Please change your forum name to be your real first and last name.  Thank you.

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Norman Blackburn

Concorde is the only other project we have announced. 

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STEFAN DORDEVIC
16 minutes ago, Renaud Mazoué said:

Concorde ? but it has been available for a while no ?

It was for FSX.The new Concord will be available for P3D V4 and P3D V5 with noticable improvements over the previous version.

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Valesius Faulkner
On 12/25/2020 at 8:46 PM, Predrag Danicic said:

Personally, I would never switch to MSFS at the state in which it is right now. Currently it is just a game with really good looking environment and possibly a good base for further development IF physics is improved and SDK way way way better.

I know that most developers rushed over to MSFS just in order to get some sort of a market share, but I really do not expect to see any study level aircraft such as FSLabs in MSFS soon. If ever.

Just my 50 cents.

If ever? Disagree. It took FSX a year to get its SDK and the PMDG 747 to release. Look at how far FSX has come. No offence, but I think a lot of people these days lack patience and foresight. So far, MSFS is making good progress towards simmers hope fore.

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Ray Proudfoot
4 hours ago, Valesius Faulkner said:

If ever? Disagree. It took FSX a year to get its SDK and the PMDG 747 to release. Look at how far FSX has come. No offence, but I think a lot of people these days lack patience and foresight. So far, MSFS is making good progress towards simmers hope fore.

I don't know if the Airbus aircraft require DLLs in P3D (like Concorde does) but be aware that MSFS as it stands does not allow for DLLs to be run inside the simulator. Whether Asobo / Microsoft change their minds who knows. That would require a massive rewrite of the software which may not even resolve the issue.

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