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Andrej Ropret

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Andrej Ropret

Dear Gentlemen,

which of the high-end sidesticks would you recommend? I fly the A320/321 as Captain and therefore would like to have a natural feel back at home as well.

I would not like to buy twice as if PROSRV 2.0 will not feel right, then 1000 eur is wasted and will have to buy 3.0 anyhow.

 

I keep an eye on:

1. ACC PROSRV 3.0

https://www.acc.world/store/p2/Sidestick_320_PROSRV3.0.html
 

2. FSC.it

FSC sidestick

 

3. genuine OEM sidestick CAPT

https://sim-on-a320.com/blog/tag/sidestick/

as found on Ebay:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/A320-A330-Controller-Assembly-Side-Stick-PN-321000-M03-MFR-F0222/324179913596?hash=item4b7aa0eb7c:g:fGYAAOSwKJpezqop

 

4. ACC PROSRV 2.0

https://www.acc.world/store/p1/Sidestick_320_PROSRV2.0_.html

 

5. FlightDeckSolutions

https://flightdeck-solutions.myshopify.com/collections/a320/products/a320-pro-mx-series-sidestick

6. Skalarki

https://www.skalarki-electronics.eu/onlineshop/product/240-side-stick-p-p.html

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Robert Stephan

Maybe this one:

http://www.thrustmaster.com/en_US/products/tca-officer-pack-airbus-edition

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Michael Ackermann

I'm using the ACC 2.0, but I'm not a RW pilot, so I can't comment regarding the authenticity. Compared to the sidestick in a Lufthansa FFS it feels a bit stiff. 

By the way, the Skalarki sidestick is an ACC 2.0 as well.

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David Norfolk

if it were me, i'd go for the Skalarki one. there products work with the labs  

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Andrej Ropret
On 6/24/2020 at 5:19 PM, Michael Ackermann said:

I'm using the ACC 2.0, but I'm not a RW pilot, so I can't comment regarding the authenticity. Compared to the sidestick in a Lufthansa FFS it feels a bit stiff. 

By the way, the Skalarki sidestick is an ACC 2.0 as well.

Thank you for clarifying which one Skalarki sells.

Yes I also heard the ACC 2.0 is a bit stiffer then A320 original and feels like a bit different.

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J van Braam
On 6/23/2020 at 7:21 PM, Andrej Ropret said:

Dear Gentlemen,

which of the high-end sidesticks would you recommend? I fly the A320/321 as Captain and therefore would like to have a natural feel back at home as well.

I would not like to buy twice as if PROSRV 2.0 will not feel right, then 1000 eur is wasted and will have to buy 3.0 anyhow.

 

I keep an eye on:

1. ACC PROSRV 3.0

https://www.acc.world/store/p2/Sidestick_320_PROSRV3.0.html
 

2. FSC.it

FSC sidestick

 

3. genuine OEM sidestick CAPT

https://sim-on-a320.com/blog/tag/sidestick/

as found on Ebay:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/A320-A330-Controller-Assembly-Side-Stick-PN-321000-M03-MFR-F0222/324179913596?hash=item4b7aa0eb7c:g:fGYAAOSwKJpezqop

 

4. ACC PROSRV 2.0

https://www.acc.world/store/p1/Sidestick_320_PROSRV2.0_.html

 

5. FlightDeckSolutions

https://flightdeck-solutions.myshopify.com/collections/a320/products/a320-pro-mx-series-sidestick

6. Skalarki

https://www.skalarki-electronics.eu/onlineshop/product/240-side-stick-p-p.html

Don't forget.

I have the Yoke> Incomparable with othes

https://www.brunner-innovation.swiss/produkt-uebersicht/

Regards
John

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Andrej Ropret
23 hours ago, Jovabra said:

Don't forget.

I have the Yoke> Incomparable with othes

https://www.brunner-innovation.swiss/produkt-uebersicht/

Regards
John

thank you John,

Very good idea, I did not know they produce A320 sidestick on FF also. I was searching the Youtube and internet but I cannot find a video or user reviews of this sidestick.

Brunner CLS-E A320

If I read correctly you own their yoke, so it feels different than a sidestick.

Anyhow I send email to Brunner and I hope to get a link or photos/video how does it look in reality.


I would love to feel difference between FSC, ACC 3.0 and Brunner one, then decide.

Regards.

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J van Braam
41 minutes ago, Andrej Ropret said:

thank you John,

Very good idea, I did not know they produce A320 sidestick on FF also. I was searching the Youtube and internet but I cannot find a video or user reviews of this sidestick.

Brunner CLS-E A320

If I read correctly you own their yoke, so it feels different than a sidestick.

Anyhow I send email to Brunner and I hope to get a link or photos/video how does it look in reality.


I would love to feel difference between FSC, ACC 3.0 and Brunner one, then decide.

Regards.

I have no idea about the differance between the yoke and the stick. Look and ask on  there forum.

https://forum.brunner-innovation.swiss/

Succes.

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Andrej Ropret

Well for me the dillema is solved, yesterday I ordered ACC PROSRV 3.0 with selenoid lock (disconnects sidestick when you engage AP1/2 and you hear this click) and chose the HAT switch also, to be able ti simply pan around the airplane, even if this feature will not match the real stick.

Selenoid in action (video):

Selenoid demo on PROSRV 3.0

Then I was thinking if I pay such ammount for a sidestick, why not add a tiller and I have a full package. And if both are from the same producer, I can be sure they will worl nicely in pair.

And not to forget, I chose the mounting plate for real cockpit.

 

ACC is proved design and I believe I shall be satisfied next 30 years flying it. And it was a quick response from ACC combined with a tiller package that made me order their product.

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Andrej Ropret

Just a quick update for people who are thinking of ordering at ACC:

BEWARE!!!

5 months passed and I am still waiting for a sidestick and tiller, even though I had to prepay 60% in advance... I keep sending emails, try to call, write on website form, on ACC Facebook page and nothing works... Tobias, the owner of ACC Controls, ignores my writing completely and does not deliver on time, so I suggest you to stay away. One of the reasons to choose among other producers was also  ”Made in Germany” which unfortunately in the name of ACC is not worth it, at least it looks like now. Presently it looks more like a SCAM then any true quality.

Not to mention their website was down for some time until I asked with email if they are bankrupt as website does not work anymore.

BEWARE!!!

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Nico Szegedi

Can absolutely confirm this. I tried ordering Seats via ACC and got ignored as well. Brilliant if you want to spend a huge amount of money there...

A pity since ACC was the only one to sell seats with a - as it seemed - decent quality for an okay price.

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Pierre walleghem

This Tobias Bernhardt from warstein is definitely a scammer. I wanted to order a pair of rudders and sidesticks but doubt arose when his website was down. I got into contact via email info@aircraft-controls.de and he responded immediately. He offered a huge discount and short delivery time. But 75% downpayment sounded dodgy for a shop with a offline website. Therefore I offered to visit his shop and pay cash. According to him this is not possible due to variable flimsy reasons. of course I pulled out, soon after- his website was back online and reworked. Looks quite impressive, he ist claiming to operate a shop with over 1000 squaremeters and several CNC machines. Long story short- I drove to the stated address:

acc air.craft.control

tobias Bernhardt 

Silbkestraße 70
59581 Warstein
Germany

and: it’s the address of a mortician & carpenter, a completely different company. No Tobias Bernhardt on site, the picture of „his“ cnc workshop is simply stolen from a swiss producers website. 
 

by all means: BEWARE OF TOBIAS BERNHARDT / ACC warstein 

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Maxime Boyer

Andrej, do you have news about your stick and tiller? 

I own the brunner one. I really love it ! I'm not real airbus pilot (only PPL) so I didn't have the chance to test the real stick (and feel the real forces) but I can say for sure that the ACC2.0, the flightdecksolution and the Skalarki are only spring loaded so the stick returns to center position very strongly. 

The ACC3.0 and the FSC are both with dampers and for sure more accurate.

The Brunner works with 2 motors controlled by a software. You can choose a lot of things, forces applied in the case of an airbus, but you can also fly GA and you will feel the light force on the stick on ground, and faster the aircraft fly, more forces will apply to the stick. It's really impressive, you really feel the differences flying at 200kts, and flying at 80kts on approach with GA for example.

I don't know if the forces are strong enough compared to the real stick, but the feeling is here and you can fly different planes, with different profiles.IMG_2403.HEIC

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Johncarlo Maddalena

Originally I was interested in the ACC3.0 but with those reporting issues with delivery of their sidestick and tiller I decided to order a Brunner one instead. 

It is currently in transit to Australia and I am looking forward to using it

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Maxime Boyer
12 hours ago, Johncarlo Maddalena said:

Originally I was interested in the ACC3.0 but with those reporting issues with delivery of their sidestick and tiller I decided to order a Brunner one instead. 

It is currently in transit to Australia and I am looking forward to using it

I think the ACC needs more space, the box is bigger than the Brunner one which is quite little. 

But of course the Brunner needs a good box, or mounting plate because with the forces, you can't leave the box on the desk, or on a table you have to attach it.

 

If you fly several aircraft, you can change the way the stick will respond, which is really really cool ! 

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Johncarlo Maddalena

I purchased a Monstertech table mount for the Brunner controller.  I was previously using one of their table mounts for my Thrustmaster t.16000m controller.  I will be repurposing this mount plate by putting a hole in it for the FSC tiller I ordered

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Johncarlo Maddalena

My Brunner controller arrived today, and I am really impressed.

I just did a quick circuit around London and the controller with the standard settings out of the box was quite a different experience to the other controller I have. 

@Maxime Boyer are you using the default profile that came with the controller or are you using a modified one?

I am not familiar with the feeling of the sidestick in a real aircraft and was wondering if the default profile is similar to the way the real aircraft is

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On 2/23/2021 at 4:22 AM, Johncarlo Maddalena said:

My Brunner controller arrived today, and I am really impressed.

I just did a quick circuit around London and the controller with the standard settings out of the box was quite a different experience to the other controller I have. 

@Maxime Boyer are you using the default profile that came with the controller or are you using a modified one?

I am not familiar with the feeling of the sidestick in a real aircraft and was wondering if the default profile is similar to the way the real aircraft is

Great to hear that ! :)

Are you using the CLS2sim software? 

I'm not familial with the real airbus stick too, and the ones I used on based simulators were from skalarki or ACC so spring loaded, and not damped. I only make my feeling from videos and from a document (in french) were I can find the real forces applied to the stick. According to that, I tried to replicate these forces, but the Brunner CLS E Joystick does not have enough forces (the CLS P joystick have it.. but I don't know the price haha), so I  applied less forces but try to use the proportional difference between pitch and roll. I made my own profile and I would very pleased to find a real airbus pilot to test it. But as I can see from different sidestick videos, my profile seems good. It's good for me.

 

The default profile (when you click on "new profile" and set as default), is very strong on roll. I'm not sure the real stick needs force like that.. maybe at the end of the course, but not near to center. I saw videos were the pilots doesn't need so much forces for small inputs.

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