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A321X: Outside model performance bad (stutter)

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Katja Mueller

ello.

The new A320 and A319 has a very good performance on wing views or general outside view during the flight. It is very smooth on my G.Sync monitor.
But the A321 has a problem with this. In VC all is smooth but on wingviews (or general in outside model view) I have very much stuttering.

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Katja Mueller

I really  hope, this problem will not also come for A320/A319 with the new planned PBR update.
I don't fly A321 cause outside view stutter.

I'm wondering cause other developer models with PBR (PMDG, Flymaddog etc.) has not this problem. I have only seen on FSL A321.

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CHENLIAO

Same for me.  The 321 only has half Fps compare with 319 and 320 at outside model during the plane move. 

 

320 and 319 can keep 60 Fps whole time when I use outside model.  However the 321 only around 30. And I have try to many ways to solve it,  unfortunately it is useless. 

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Katja Mueller

I have no problem with FPS. Only with stutter on outside model A321.

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Sveinung Kaurstad

@Katja Mueller are you sure this isn't a hardware issue on your front?

I have no problems at all with any of the models on the outside views.

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Katja Mueller

Hihi, yes, I'm very sure that is no Hardware Problem :)

I have no problem with A319,A320 and all other aircrafts :)
Only A321 has this problem and ONLY on outside model. VC is very good.

Maybe many people will no take notice of that issue, cause I'm running an absolutly smooth P3D and I'm very sensitive for problems like this.
Start taxi at wingview with the A320 and then with A321. You can see there is stutter. Especially on turns. NO FPS problem!

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Katja Mueller

With the lastest update, the outside view stutter problem occur on all models.
Pleaser check PBR implementation there is anything wrong.

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Koen Meier
1 minute ago, Katja Mueller said:

With the lastest update, the outside view stutter problem occur on all models.
Pleaser check PBR implementation there is anything wrong.

are you running an overclock on your system? did you try to see when that is disabled if you dont have stutters.

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Katja Mueller

My system is running very fine :)
Problem only occur with PBR textures ONLY on FSL aircrafts ONLY in outside view.

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Markus Burkhard
4 minutes ago, Katja Mueller said:

With the lastest update, the outside view stutter problem occur on all models.
Pleaser check PBR implementation there is anything wrong.

I'm afraid we don't have any other such reports, so at this time we do not assume that something is wrong with our PBR implementation. 

Are you using the latest version of P3Dv4? Can you please post your P3D settings? And perhaps you could show us these stutters in a video?

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Katja Mueller

It make no sense to post all my setting. There are no special and my system is perfectly balanced. I will explain in detail:

I can fly all of my aircrafts on my P3Dv4.5 HF3 with my G.SYNC monitor with perfectly >30 frames and absolutly no stutter.
PMDG, Leonardo maddog etc. all with PBR and all with absolutly no stutter.

Few month ago, the problem has been started with the release of FSL A321. This was the first PBR aircraft from FSL. With this aircraft I notice much stutter in the outside model. (wing views for example). The problem is ONLY in outside view. the VC is working perfectly. So I spend many many days and hours for trying to solve this. But no chance. My only solution at the end was prevent the A321 from flying.  Now, the other models got also PBR update. And now I have this problem also with the other aircrafts.

Please search the forum I found many other postings from other people with similar problem. I'm not sure, whether the problem is coming from  PBR or other enhancement implemented by the last update.

 

 

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benaldo

Hi,

i updated my 320 and i have better fps in the VC than outside view:

Vc: 35/40 fps

Outside: 28/30 fps

But it's smooth... Compared to PMDG or Maddog the outside fps are below.

My spec : 6700K@4.8ghz/1080TI with last nvidia drivers/32Go

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Alex Ridge
1 hour ago, benaldo said:

Hi,

i updated my 320 and i have better fps in the VC than outside view:

Vc: 35/40 fps

Outside: 28/30 fps

But it's smooth... Compared to PMDG or Maddog the outside fps are below.

My spec : 6700K@4.8ghz/1080TI with last nvidia drivers/32Go

I also now have less fps in the external view. Like considerably. 

 

Around 20 at Heathrow,

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Nico Szegedi

Same with me,

after the (otherwise amazing) update I find myself with worse frames outside than inside the aircraft. Where I never dropped below 50fps before, the outside view now gives me only 20/25 frames. P3Dv4

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Maurício Brentano

Yes, some stutters and low fps on the external view on my end also.
Inside the cockpit is smooth as silk though, and I must say it's an outstanding improvement.
P3Dv5 HF2.

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Eric Fisher

Like the way over bright landing lights that are mentioned in the other thread for users of v4.5, this looks like another issue for those staying with this version. As I said in the other thread, don't think I am going to bother with this A320 update as it seems detrimental to those sticking with this version. I have zero interest in updating to v5 in its current state with god awful weather issues and numerous other problems that I can't be bothered rehashing here. 

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Jordan Jafferjee

I am having the same issue as describe with super smooth/fluid performance in the VC and high FPS but stutters (dips into 20s) in the external monitor. I do not have this issue in the 319 or other add-ons (have not tested the 321). Not a deal breaker as I spend the majority of my time in the VC but hope to see it resolved soon. I am running 4.5HF3, ASP Beta, Latest version of chase plane. 

 

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Danny Moore
Like the way over bright landing lights that are mentioned in the other thread for users of v4.5, this looks like another issue for those staying with this version. As I said in the other thread, don't think I am going to bother with this A320 update as it seems detrimental to those sticking with this version. I have zero interest in updating to v5 in its current state with god awful weather issues and numerous other problems that I can't be bothered rehashing here. 
Unfortunately due to the changes in P3Dv5 developers are updating their product to take advantage of the features v5 brings. The downside is v4.5x users are paying the price. PMDG has already stated this when it comes to v4 vs v5 with the landing light issue. What sucks for those of us who remain on v4.5 is we have to now deal with the side effects v5 brings which will suck for us. Many of us are not interested in upgrading to V5 until it becomes more stable and more programs become compatible. I’m also remaining on the previous version of the FSlabs. I'm sure their is a v5HF3 in works at the rate v5 is going.  

 

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Dan Parkin
18 hours ago, Katja Mueller said:

It make no sense to post all my setting. There are no special and my system is perfectly balanced. I will explain in detail:

It's very difficult for us to help you then. Without being able to reproduce the issue (if there is one), the team won't be able to fix it.

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Alexander Petrenko

P3Dv4.5HF2

VC performance has increased a bit since last update but external view has dropped by 10-15 FPS comparing with the previous version.

9900k

GTX2080Ti

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Christopher Bourke

Just like to say i'm experiencing the same problem, very nice increase in the VC, but literally a 10 fps drop outside.

Attached, my current sim settings (ignore the bright menu glitch, just a reshade thing)

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world.png

lighting.png

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Dan Parkin

@Christopher Bourke,

Thanks for these. First step, could you turn off reshade and see if that makes a difference?

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Katja Mueller
2 hours ago, Dan Parkin said:

It's very difficult for us to help you then. Without being able to reproduce the issue (if there is one), the team won't be able to fix it.

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Tim Vancauwenbergh
5 hours ago, Alexander Petrenko said:

P3Dv4.5HF2

VC performance has increased a bit since last update but external view has dropped by 10-15 FPS comparing with the previous version.

9900k

GTX2080Ti

I see a 15-20 FPS decrease since last version .450 with the A320. The A321 never suffered from this with the PBR upgrade. Spot view with clear skies on a default airport is about 30FPS now, before 45-50 on same location, same situation. No graphics settings have been changed.

 

P3D V4.5 HF3, no other visual addons.

 

I use this entry in Prepar3D.cfg to visualise the average fps and variance: 

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AverageFrameRate=1,2
FrameRate=1,1
LockedFrameRate=1,3

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Will Tearne
2 minutes ago, Tim Vancauwenbergh said:

I see a 15-20 FPS decrease since last version .450 with the A320. The A321 never suffered from this with the PBR upgrade. Spot view with clear skies on a default airport is about 30FPS now, before 45-50 on same location, same situation. No graphics settings have been changed.

Same thing for me - outside performance in the A320 was better in v4 than it is in v5 whereas VC performance is so much better with the latest update. Only real thing I can think of that can make only the outside performance drop is a faulty PBR application although that is cancelled out by only some of us experiencing the issue. I may reinstall and see if that helps.

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MinGustTime=10
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MinVarTime=5
MaxVarTime=50
MinVarRampSpeed=10
MaxVarRampSpeed=75
TurbulenceScale=1.000000
WeatherGraphDataInDialog=0
AdjustForMagVarInDialog=1
DynamicWeather=0
DownloadWindsAloft=0
DisableTurbulence=0
CLOUD_DRAW_DISTANCE=5
DETAILED_CLOUDS=1
OPTIMIZE_DENSE_CLOUDS=0
CLOUD_COVERAGE_DENSITY=8
THERMAL_VISUALS=0
VolumetricFog=1
DetailedPrecipitation=1
WindshieldPrecipitationEffects=1
[DISPLAY]
ChangeTime=4.000000
TransitionTime=4.000000
TEXTURE_FILTERING=8
MSAA=4
SSAA=0
VSYNC=0
FXAA=0
TRIPLE_BUFFER=0
SKINNED_ANIMATIONS=1
TEXTURE_BANDWIDTH_MULT=400
UPPER_FRAMERATE_LIMIT=38
WideViewAspect=True
FullScreenBackground=False
FullScreenAutoFill=True
ActiveWindowTitleTextColor=255,255,255
ActiveWindowTitleBackGroundColor=0,28,140,64
NonActiveWindowTitleTextColor=255,255,255
NonActiveWindowTitleBackGroundColor=24,33,87,64
InfoUpperLeftTextColorUser=255,0,0
InfoUpperLeftTextColorNonUser=255,127,0
InfoUpperLeftBackGroundColor=0,0,0,0
InfoUpperRightTextColor=255,0,0
InfoUpperRightBackGroundColor=0,0,0,0
InfoLowerLeftTextColor=255,255,255
InfoLowerLeftBackGroundColor=255,0,0,128
InfoLowerRightTextColor=255,255,255
InfoLowerRightBackGroundColor=255,0,0,128
InfoBrakesEnable=True
InfoParkingBrakesEnable=True
InfoPauseEnable=True
InfoSlewEnable=True
InfoStallEnable=True
InfoOverspeedEnable=True
InfoWeaponSystemEnable=True
InfoCountermeasureEnable=True
InfoUpperRightTextEnable=True
Fullscreen=True
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AUTOGEN_DRAW_DISTANCE=12000.000000
AUTOGEN_TREE_DRAW_DISTANCE_PERCENT=0.900000
AUTOGEN_TREE_MIN_DISTANCE_TO_LOD=2500.000000
MaxRegionsPurgePerFrame=16
POP_FREE_AUTOGEN=1
AUTOGEN_BATCH_LOD=2
AUTOGEN_VEGETATION_TYPE=0
IMAGE_COMPLEXITY=5
SCENERY_DRAW_DISTANCE=32000.000000
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User Objects=Airplane, Helicopter, Submersible, ExternalSim, Avatar
LabelsSupported=Airplane, Helicopter
ShowInfoText=1
HideMenuNormal=0
HideMenuFullscreen=1
Location=0,0,1920,1080,\\.\DISPLAY1
LocationFullScreen=0,0,1920,1080,\\.\DISPLAY1
Maximized=1
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IMAGE_QUALITY=1
SAVE_AND_LOAD_PANEL_STATE=0
MAX_VC_TEXTURE_RESOLUTION=4096
PANEL_OPACITY=100
QUICKTIPS=0
PANEL_MASKING=1
PANEL_STRETCHING=1
UNITS_OF_MEASURE=1
PANELS_ALWAYS_ON_TOP=1
[CONTROLS]
Controls_Default=Standard
Controls_Current=Standard
KBDAIL=64
KBDELEV=64
KBDRUD=64
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Latitude=1,1
Longitude=1,2
Altitude=1,3
Heading=1,4
AirSpeed=1,5
WindDirectionAndSpeed=1,6
[TextInfo.2]
FrameRate=1,1
LockedFrameRate=1,2
GForce=1,3
FuelPercentage=1,4
HealthPoints=1,5
[TextInfo.3]
Latitude=1,1
Longitude=1,2
Altitude=1,3
Heading=1,4
AirSpeed=1,5
WindDirectionAndSpeed=1,6
FrameRate=2,1
LockedFrameRate=2,2
GForce=2,3
FuelPercentage=2,4
HealthPoints=2,5
[slewTextInfo.1]
Latitude=1,1
Longitude=1,2
Altitude=1,3
Heading=1,4
AirSpeed=1,5
[slewTextInfo.2]
FrameRate=1,1
LockedFrameRate=1,2
HealthPoints=1,3
[slewTextInfo.3]
Latitude=1,1
Longitude=1,2
Altitude=1,3
Heading=1,4
AirSpeed=1,5
FrameRate=2,1
LockedFrameRate=2,2
HealthPoints=2,3
[Avatar]
DefaultAvatar=Army Infantry
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LonAccelOnHeadLon=-0.020000
LonAccelOnHeadPitch=-0.010000
RollAccelOnHeadLat=0.010000
YawAccelOnHeadLat=-0.100000
RollAccelOnHeadRoll=0.100000
MaxHeadAngle=5.000000
MaxHeadOffset=0.300000
HeadMoveTimeConstant=1.000000
[VirtualCopilot]
VirtualCopilotActive=0
[DISPLAY.Device.NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti.0.0]
Mode=1920x1080x32
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SHOW_SCENARIO_WINDOW=1
BroadcastGPSData=0
MUTE_ON_LOST_FOCUS=0
PAUSE_ON_LOST_FOCUS=0
PROMPT_ON_EXIT=1
RestoreTimeOnMove=1
ScreenshotImageFormat=2
SHOW_MISSION_CAPTIONS=0
Map_Orientation=2
SITUATION=C:\Users\whiggy\Documents\Prepar3D v4 Files\start
ShowMessageText=True
UIHardwareAcceleration=True
[sOUND]
SOUND_FADER1=0.5
SOUND_FADER2=0.500000
SOUND_FADER3=0.500000
SOUND_FADER4=0.500000
SOUND=1
SOUND_QUALITY=2
SOUND_LOD=0
PrimaryPlaybackDevice={DEF00000-9C6D-47ED-AAF1-4DDA8F2B5C03}
VoicePlaybackDevice={DEF00002-9C6D-47ED-AAF1-4DDA8F2B5C03}
VoiceCaptureDevice={DEF00003-9C6D-47ED-AAF1-4DDA8F2B5C03}
[TrafficManager]
AirlineDensity=0
GADensity=0
FreewayDensity=0
ShipsAndFerriesDensity=0
LeisureBoatsDensity=0
IFROnly=0
AIRPORT_SCENERY_DENSITY=0
[AContain]
ShowLabels=0
ShowUserLabel=0
ShowLabelManufacturer=0
ShowLabelModel=0
ShowLabelTailNumber=0
ShowLabelDistance=0
ShowLabelAltitude=0
ShowLabelAirline=0
ShowLabelAirlineAndFlightNumber=0
ShowLabelFlightPlan=0
ShowLabelContainerId=0
ShowLabelAirspeed=0
ShowLabelHeading=0
LabelDelay=1000
LabelColor=FFFF0000
EnableRibbonVisuals=0
ShowRibbonUserObject=0
ShowRibbonUserAvatar=0
ShowRibbonAircraft=0
ShowRibbonGroundVehicles=0
ShowRibbonBoats=0
ShowRibbonAvatars=0
ShowRibbonWeapons=0
ShowRibbonCountermeasures=0
UserObjectRibbonColor=0,FFFF0000
UserAvatarRibbonColor=0,FFFF8000
AircraftRibbonColor=0,FF0000FF
GroundVehicleRibbonColor=0,FF00FF00
BoatRibbonColor=0,FF00FFFF
AvatarRibbonColor=0,FFFFFF00
WeaponRibbonColor=0,FF800000
CountermeasureRibbonColor=0,FF640080
RibbonFidelity=5.000000
RibbonMaxDistance=3218.689941
RibbonThicknessSettingIndex=0
RibbonThicknessSmall=1.000000
RibbonThicknessMedium=5.000000
RibbonThicknessLarge=10.000000
RibbonFadeTime=-1.000000
RibbonDoNotExceedTime=-1.000000
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LOD_RADIUS=6.500000
TESSELLATION_FACTOR=85
MESH_RESOLUTION=25
TEXTURE_RESOLUTION=29
AUTOGEN_VEGETATION_DENSITY=3
AUTOGEN_BUILDING_DENSITY=3
DETAIL_TEXTURE=1
HIGH_RESOLUTION_TERRAIN_TEXTURES=0
WATER_REFLECT_CLOUDS=0
WATER_REFLECT_USERAIRCRAFT=0
WATER_REFLECT_SIMOBJECTS=0
WATER_REFLECT_TERRAIN=0
WATER_REFLECT_AUTOGEN_VEGETATION=0
WATER_REFLECT_AUTOGEN_BUILDINGS=0
WATER_REFRACT_CLOUDS=0
WATER_REFRACT_USERAIRCRAFT=0
WATER_REFRACT_SIMOBJECTS=0
WATER_REFRACT_TERRAIN=0
WATER_REFRACT_AUTOGEN_VEGETATION=0
WATER_REFRACT_AUTOGEN_BUILDINGS=0
ENABLE_BATHYMETRY=0
WATER_CLARITY=30
WATER_DETAIL=2
UseGlobalTerrainView=False
[ATC]
AutoOpenAirTrafficWindow=0
UsePilotVoice=0
ShowATCText=1
PilotVoice=131072
COMM_MSG_AI_ATC_COLOR=0XFF8C00
COMM_MSG_ATC_AI_COLOR=0X00008B
COMM_MSG_ATC_USER_COLOR=0X006400
COMM_MSG_USER_ATC_COLOR=0XA52A2A
COMM_MSG_ATIS_COLOR=00000000
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ASLAT=2
ASLON=0
MEASURE=1
[REALISM]
PFactor=1.000000
Torque=1.000000
GyroEffect=1.000000
CrashTolerance=1.000000
General=1.000000
UnlimitedFuel=False
AllowEngineDamage=True
TrueAirspeed=False
AutoCoord=False
RealMixture=True
StressDamage=False
GEffect=False
ManualLights=True
GyroDrift=False
CrashWithDyn=False
CrashDetection=False
AvatarNoCollision=False
OnCrashAction=0
AutoTrim=False
MomentumEffect=True
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WeaponHighlight=False
HighlightDuration=1.000000
AutoWeaponSwitching=False
UnlimitedWeapons=False
UnlimitedCountermeasures=False
IgnoreAttachmentWeight=True
IgnoreAttachmentForces=True
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RecordAITraffic=True
RecordAirportVehicles=True
RecordLeisureBoats=True
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SYSCLOCK=1
OPTIMIZE_PARTS=1
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DEMO=0
STARTUP_DEMO=
LOAD_SCENARIO_TOOLS=1
LoadCorePlugins=1
LoadVirtualReality=1
EnableVirtualRealityOnStartup=0
LoadWindow=1
EnableVoiceControl=0
EnableVoiceControlDebug=0
EnableViveProEyeTracking=0
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CycleSetting=0
[FACILITIES]
COUNTRY=
STATE=
CITY=
GTL_BUTTON=4096
[MISC]
Com_Rate=7
[FlightPlanMap]
LineWidth=2
[DISPLAY.Device.NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti.0.0]
Mode=1920x1080x32
[MULTIPLAYER]
VoiceVolume=-1.800000
FrameSyncRate=0
 

Would have been easier to just upload the config file.


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Jordan Jafferjee
9 hours ago, Dan Parkin said:

@Christopher Bourke,

Thanks for these. First step, could you turn off reshade and see if that makes a difference?

I have disabled TomatoShade and restored the default Shader (and cleared shader cache) and continue to see the issue. CFG attached and pretty basic Nvidia config. 

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Ryan Chapman

Same here. Updated today. The internal VC performance has improved considerably, whereas the external views have experienced a significant performance drop. 

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Michael O'Halloran
2 hours ago, Ryan Chapman said:

Same here. Updated today. The internal VC performance has improved considerably, whereas the external views have experienced a significant performance drop. 

I’m starting to think this has to be PBR related. 321 first for me, now the A320 the same. 

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