[SoFtNeZ]

HI

I don't know what append with my concorde. Sometimes, he dont want to follow right a radial or a INS course. The plane oscillate and overshoot with repetition the radial, to the left and to the right with high bank angle between 25°-45°. And sometimes the vilent turn to the left and right return the aircraft, cut off the engines and the plane go to crash. I'ts amazing the aircraft do right and left turn on the radial with overshoot without stabilize on the radial.

Have you any solution, any fix or more to resolve this problem, i think wasn't on the real concorde.

Jimmy

[Paul Smith]

Hello Jimmy:

Can you recreate the issue? What is the Weather doing when you have the issue? Do you run any external Weather Programmes? What version of ConcordeX Are you running?

Cheers

Smiffy

[SoFtNeZ]

Hi Paul !

at this time i'm on IVAO "CDI063"
I'm running fsx sp2 with active sky evolution
Now the metar is EGLL 241520Z 26011KT 10SM SCT073 FEW177 25/11 A3000.

The issue is under concorde X sp1. I've just installedconcorde x sp2 and i try now.



Jimmy

[SoFtNeZ]

Paul Smith, on 24 June 2010 - 04:32 PM, said:

Hello Jimmy:

Can you recreate the issue? What is the Weather doing when you have the issue? Do you run any external Weather Programmes? What version of ConcordeX Are you running?

Cheers

Smiffy

Hi Paul !

I have try it with sp2 and the issue continue...

Jimmy

[JCT2345]

Hi Jimmy!
I suspect this issue might be coming from ActiveSky...
Make a try w/o it.
Cheers,
JCT (or JC-CDI029)

[CoolP]

I've experienced this behavior too. Catching radials , localizers or just the hdg selected ... she banks hard and overshoots quite often, especially on low speeds.

Don't get me wrong ... she catches and follows the hdg thereafter but the way to it might not be as comfortable as some passengers are thinking.

I've read a review about this nice product lately and they mentioned it too as the only negative point. Will look for the links to it ...

Here it is:
"Im HDG TRK Mode pendelt die Concorde manchmal um die Längsachse. Ich war zuerst versucht, dies als simuliertes Dutch-Rolling zu erklären. Allerdings hätte es dann auch in anderen Modis – sicher auch im manuellen Flug – und vor allem bei einer bestimmten Machzahl auftreten müssen. So scheint es einfach ein Regelungsproblem des Autopiloten – sehr wahrscheinlich sogar noch gewichts- oder trimabhängig - zu sein."
Source: http://simflight.de/...labs-concordex/


I'm using Active Sky Evolution with the recommended settings from here (sticky post)

[SoFtNeZ]

Hi Paul, Lefteris & Smiffy

Let me say, I am very irritated to you ! I gave you my confidence for Concorde X and was the one of the first ones to bought it because I bought it the day of it relased. Since i use it I meet lot of problems with this plane. How to make simulation if the concorde no reacts like he want? I've reported to you a serious problem and today I haven't serious response about him. The plane you have built NO FOLLOW CORRECTLY THE RADIAL OR INS AND OSCILLATE WITH EXTREM BANK ANGLES 90° OR MORE ON THE RADIAL OR INS! after extrem bank angle the plane can be return on the roof and crashe on the ground or into the sea ! I'm a VA member on ivao and I must have a plane who works correctly. Today with this problem I'm obliged to begin again and again and again and again because the flight is recorded by the VA. It is serious??? I sacrifice my night to make a flight for the virtual airline and I finish into the sea has cause of the plane, it is normal that? It is normal to spend time for a plane which makes its whims? I am conscious of the work which you have realized for this product but now it not impossible. You know the problem i reported to you, and i'm waiting for anything, information fix or more.

For information, isn't ASA Evolution. I was flight without it and it still do it

I7-950
ATI 5970
12go Ram
1To HDD
yoke, rudder pedals, triple head, track ir5, mcp pro, cdu 2, switch panel, proflight headset.
Win7 x64
FSX sp2
FS global 2008
Concorde X Sp2
Fsuipc 4


it's a serious problem.
Thanks


Jimmy CDI063

[Andrew Wilson]

Try setting the Turbulence setting under [weather] inside your fsx.cfg to 0.3.

[SoFtNeZ]

[Cyril]

Hi all.
Andrew, you wrote "Try setting the Turbulence setting under [weather] inside your fsx.cfg to 0.3."
Well, That is my setting since long and it doesn't correct things.
My first impression was "WOW! SP2 is just perfect". The calculator is a jewel. The behaviour with the power and the attitude really has really been improved.
Just a little problem when setting 93% at 3000': the plane hardly climbs at 300 - 500'/min at 250 IAS. It wasn't perfect but it was flyable and I was OK to accept it.
My second impression was "Well... Isn't there a problem here???": Handflying was quite OK despite turn coordination needed to be done with care with FSUIPC slope correction the rudder axis. I was OK to accept it: I've been able to do a circling approach and landing with a very precise trajectory and I really had a great pleasure to handfly the bird. Thanks.
But automatic flight gave me bad news. No coordination at all, oscillations, extreme bank angles...
I now read that I'm not the only one.
I smoothed all I can, I disabled turbulences, used AE's recomended settings, disabled all the weather in FSX ect. But despite everything, the issue is still here. In heading track, the plane sometime oscillates and falls down, in turns, there is no coordination at all...
There is definitively a problem and you just can't tell that it is not true. Please, at least, admit it. It's just a question of frankness and honesty. There IS a problem, don't tell the customers there isn't.
Before release, Lefteris wrote :"We expect and anticipate that there will ALWAYS be those for whom the Concorde-X will never be up to their standards"...
I now understand why. This is clever from Lefteris...
He new that people will see the problems and before they talk, he perfers to anticipate and annouce that trolls will come on the forum... Mind's preparation? A polititian's speech? Best defence is attack.
I'm OK to say that parts of the Concorde's behaviour is splendid. Many planes in a single, ground effect, supersonic behaviour, real feeling of flying something different: a delta... The goal to make that simulator was a big chalenge and incredible things have been done. The developpers did make a BIG BIG work to achieve this. I mean it, don't get me wrong. Congratualtions and thanks for that very good achievement.
But all that is just hidden by the fact that before planing a flight on Concorde, I anticipate that I'll have to give a constant attention to the following of the track, high bank angles in heading track, interception of radial, FSUIPC settings to be able to use my rudder, changes is the weather settings that are OK with the other addons and not the Concorde etc.
I would prefer to give a constant attention to my navigation, my system's states and other aeronautic things...
I perfectly know what it will be answer:
"Cyril is a troll, he just lives to criticize and to find faults, he's never happy, he's not here to enjoy the softs but to destroy them, we know that there is always ONE forum user like him etc..."
This is not fair. Just take a look at my 600 posts on Leonardo's forum for example. A plane with little bugs but which flies just very good with extreme accurate systems. You will see that I'm not a troll there... That I like to talk about systems, navigations, procedures, and to help people when I'm able to help.
Just ban me from here if you want and continue to tell that the Concorde is good enough to allow you to put all your energy on your A320. But I won't wait for that plane if the flagship product remains like this.
Regards,
Cyril

[Paul Smith]

Hi guys:

@Jimmy: You may be irritated with us, but you have no idea how irritating it has been for me doing 14 JFK to LHR Flights (Complete) in a row to try and recreate the issue that you have been having, with an assortment of WX Settings and scenarios. As you all know, we cannot confirm or deny the existence of an issue if we cannot recreate it. The closest that i got to recreating the issue was with the weather and turbulence set to suicidal levels, and by leaving ASE set to defaults, far away from the advice thread that i created here. Apart from that, on one flight with the WX set as per the thread i got a tiny bit of oscillation in Pitch, which was no different to a bit of light turbulence, and one ILS overshoot in 14 flights.

@Cyril: A classic example of a user inventing scenarios and putting words in peoples mouths, and ultimately putting 2+2 together and getting 74. You are all welcome to find faults, and you are welcome to report them, we want to know about them, as we want to make our products better. Consider the wording though. In particular i would suggest that jimmy being 'irritated' with us. When i read that first thing this morning, my initial response was well... screw you then, i'll keep the testing to ourselves. But that would benefit nobody. So....


Ensure that the WX is setup as here

Re-install Concorde X, then SP1, then save the .air file somewhere safe and install SP2. Save the SP2 Air File somewhere safe, and replace it with the SP1 Air File. Let us know if you find that better or worse, and in what areas. We can then look closer at the code in the two files, and see if something may have gone wrong between the two.

Cheers

Smiffy

[CoolP]

Just wanted to state that my installation seems to be far away from the problems the other two guys are mentioning. Concorde stays in the skies.

But I still see her bank very quick and hard towards a radial or a pre set HDG and even on HDG HOLD she tries to correct something I don't see (I checked the winds and they are smoothed out via FSUIPC, no changing values but Concorde seems to correct left and right and then comes back).

Did I miss something in the manual that explains why she goes for corrections in e. g. HDG HOLD mode?

Could this be because using the TRACK option on the HDG knob (pressed in, instead of "pure" hdg when pulled out)? I sometimes switch these functions accidentally because of the shaking VC and/or head with TrackIR.

You see, as a good customer I'm able to reply to my own questions

[SoFtNeZ]

Dear Paul

I informed you about a critical problem on your product. This problem disrupt the flight, and i'm not alone to reporting this problem. The only response you can give me with your words is

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"my initial response was well... screw you"

. It is has your honor Dear Paul! You said, you have done 14 flights between JFK and LHR, but it's your job do everything when you want to sell a perfect product. Me I say you I've paid for your product and i'm not a beta tester. After 3 months of release of this product this problem can't be resolve and he occurs only on Concorde- X. if you have a minimum respect for all customers of your product and future product you should unable to say that and show a little more respect. I'm not here to perturb the forum, i just want a flying plane.

Regards.

[Daryl S]

Okay,

That is an unfair post, sir.

You have quoted a snippet of Paul's post - a snippet where he is asking for some respectful posts from users - and you use that snippet against him?

Hardly fair, nor reasonable.

You paid for the product, and you will receive support and assistance, but post responsibly and with respect. Paul does an excellent job, and has pointed you in the right direction...

Now, if that isn't good enough for you, that's your problem (and you'll have to get help elsewhere for that problem).

[SoFtNeZ]

Daryl S, on 28 June 2010 - 12:40 AM, said:

Okay,

That is an unfair post, sir.

You have quoted a snippet of Paul's post - a snippet where he is asking for some respectful posts from users - and you use that snippet against him?

Hardly fair, nor reasonable.

You paid for the product, and you will receive support and assistance, but post responsibly and with respect. Paul does an excellent job, and has pointed you in the right direction...

Now, if that isn't good enough for you, that's your problem (and you'll have to get help elsewhere for that problem).

I bought your product, it contains dysfunctions. Sorry but it is has you to take your responsibilities. Instead of spend your time has treating the contents of the message of your colleague, solve rather the problem of your plane.

[Lefteris Kalamaras]

OK-

I've been watching this thread deteriorate.

Unless we return to a level of mutual respect that is required, I will lock it.

Consider this a final warning.

[jonno271]

Hi,

My names's Jon & I'm new here having just purchased Concorde-X. Firstly I'd like to thank the team for such a fantastic aircraft. I'm still learning the basics but enjoying every second. It was a little daunting at first, even for a seasoned flight simmer like myself (I regularly fly on VATSIM) but I'm starting to learn the systems

I must say though that I have experienced the same problem as SoFtNeZ but think I may know the answer...

The concorde does seem very susceptible to the weather and I find the ride at altitude a little "bumpy", especially if I download winds aloft. The aircraft struggles to stay on track, weaving left to right. It's fine if I clear the weather but that's not always the most realistic option, especially when flying online. As I am learning one system at a time, I have ignored the INS and am using FS Commander to navigate. I simply load a flight plan and set TRK HDG on the AFCS and away she goes. At first I thought using TRK HDG was the issue as I read somewhere there were issues with SP1 wavering on TRK HDG hold. This seems not to be the case though as the problem remains if I select HDG HOLD. This problem does not appear with other aircrfat under the same weather conditions.

It's a shame to have to modify the config file to reduce turbulence but I'm sure it's a temporary fix that will be sorted in the long run. Considering the quality of the rest of the aircraft, I'm sure the team can fix anything!

The real problem for me comes during descent and approach. The aircraft becomes totally unflyable, refusing to hold pitch/roll. I noticed this was due to the CG being way aft. OK I thought, I've missed something on the fuel transfer but I just couldn't work it out, as far as I can see the VFE is transferring all the fuel. Anyway, eventually after burning/dumping some fuel, the CG moved forward and I landed successfully.

So SoFtNeZ, take a look at your CG guage when you experience this problem, if it's reading close to the aft marker then you mave have found the issue.

On that note I'd like to ask how I can transfer fuel forward manually, as with VFE active he just resets all my switch selections!?

Cheers, Jon.

[John Barnes]

You can open the FSLabs menu in FSX by pressing ALT and select the Options and turn off the VFE during flight. You can also reverse this and turn him back on again.

[Lefteris Kalamaras]

First off,

let me mention that your post is written in EXACTLY the way we expect any communications in the written form to be delivered. Friendly, respectful, easy-going, without accusations which serve only to disrupt the sentiments conveyed. While one might expect that this is a given, it appears that we have to keep reminding people... so thank you for that.

jonno271, on 01 July 2010 - 01:30 PM, said:

Hi,

...
It's a shame to have to modify the config file to reduce turbulence but I'm sure it's a temporary fix that will be sorted in the long run. Considering the quality of the rest of the aircraft, I'm sure the team can fix anything!

It's a temporary fix, as long as FSX exists. Unfortunately, weather in FSX is fatally flawed when it comes to turbulence (if this level existed in the real world, we'd be seeing aircraft rip apart). There are several fix attempts by several addons, however the flaw is inherent inside FSX, so the config file fix is required.

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The real problem for me comes during descent and approach. The aircraft becomes totally unflyable, refusing to hold pitch/roll. I noticed this was due to the CG being way aft. OK I thought, I've missed something on the fuel transfer but I just couldn't work it out, as far as I can see the VFE is transferring all the fuel. Anyway, eventually after burning/dumping some fuel, the CG moved forward and I landed successfully.
...
Cheers, Jon.

Exactly right. When your flight conditions are outside the envelope, this is the observed behavio(u)r. I am not sure what caused them to be outside the envelope, so try to follow the tutorial to the letter, to ensure that you understand the conditions required.

Regards,

[jonno271]

John Barnes, on 01 July 2010 - 10:46 AM, said:

You can open the FSLabs menu in FSX by pressing ALT and select the Options and turn off the VFE during flight. You can also reverse this and turn him back on again.

Hi John,

I see this now although apparently the VFE was doing his job correctly in the first place. What I did was to descend too quickly, at 400kts on IAS HOLD, leaving not enough time for the fuel transfer. Descending at 350-360 has cured my fuel transfer/CG problem

Lefteris,

thanks for you swift response. I have modified the config file and the ride is significantly better. As for the other issues described in this thread, namely the aircraft oscillating and falling out of turns when the AFCS is engaged, well I experienced this at first until I started to appreciate how much tighter the Concordes flight envelope is compared to other aircraft. I found the aircraft would roll to 90 degrees and turn away from the localiser with about 5 miles to go. This I assume is the same as the problems others are having with radials etc.

I found that both the Captains & Co's BRG dials MUST be set to the radial/ILS heading (I may have missed this in the manual). This totally eliminates the problem, even with substantial cross wind. Also I note that the aircraft becomes very heavy long before any stall indication/warning and displays similar behaviour, so maintaining a slightly higher airspeed has also helped.

I don't want to tell anyone how to fly as I sure you're all experienced if you're attempting Concorde. I missed these little details at first though and I've quite a few hours under my belt. I hope you find this helps or maybe evens fixes your problems